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Posted: 17 Feb 06, 10:00 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I don't understand after the massive success of the magic years, the work of the band was totally under-rated after this.
Why would the Miracle be so under-rated?
I don't understand why so many of these songs, both from the Miracle and some from Innuendo, were rated so low in the charts! I mean, some didn't even make it into the top 20 at all!
So, why after a very successful time in their career, did Queens work become less recognised than usual?
Most of those works deserved alot better!



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Posted: 17 Feb 06, 11:24 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

People are generally stupid - this is the only possible explanation for Queen's later works having not been as highly rated as they should've been!

I mean come on, what a boring, shitty world it was in 1989 (and still is, today) if everyone's too up themselves to enjoy the merits of a song like "The Miracle" just because it has something *nice* to say.
Makes me wish the punk movement and all their descendants would go out and shoot themselves.


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Posted: 17 Feb 06, 12:29 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I agree. Queen in their later years were fantastic. Freddie performed to the best of his slowly deteriorating ability, and their sound had become more evolved over the many, many years. I personally prefer The Hitman, I Want It All, and Ride The Wild Wind as my fave later Queen tracks.

But why was Queen not so popular in the later years?
It's simple. I blame the new music, then and now.

Of course, hip-hop and rap had become a mainstay in the United States, and still is today. Also, alternative rock (aka garage or grunge rock) got its start in the early 90's, with bands like Pearl Jam, Nirvana, and Soundgarden, which can help explain Innuendo's lack of power on the charts.

I blame the music we listen to today. It's because of cheesy pop-rock, overrated rap, and the utterly chaotic hell of female pop/dance/etc., that we can not enjoy the full power of classic rock. Bands like Rush, Foreigner, Led Zeppelin, and (of course) Queen have lost most of their fire over the decades, and this new music is to blame for all of it.

I'm sure you all understand what I have said. Maybe you might even agree... :)




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Posted: 17 Feb 06, 13:03 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

"And 'Slightly Mad' ok it isn't to everyone's taste but it's still a great song and to get to number 22 is awful."

It's a small consolation that this song *did* actually hit number 1 - in Hong Kong.

I really do choose to ignore the sales of these later albums, they are *art* at it's finest if you ask me and it wouldn't be the first time that people have fucked up.
You know, Alfred Hitchcock, one of the greatest directors I can think of, never got an Academy Award? How's that for insane???

Innuendo is easily their best album since the 70's.


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Posted: 17 Feb 06, 13:11 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Some are blinded *by* it.


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Posted: 17 Feb 06, 13:24 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

me_and_my_innuendo wrote:

I agree. Queen in their later years were fantastic. Freddie performed to the best of his slowly deteriorating ability, and their sound had become more evolved over the many, many years. I personally prefer The Hitman, I Want It All, and Ride The Wild Wind as my fave later Queen tracks.

But why was Queen not so popular in the later years?
It's simple. I blame the new music, then and now.

Of course, hip-hop and rap had become a mainstay in the United States, and still is today. Also, alternative rock (aka garage or grunge rock) got its start in the early 90's, with bands like Pearl Jam, Nirvana, and Soundgarden, which can help explain Innuendo's lack of power on the charts.

I blame the music we listen to today. It's because of cheesy pop-rock, overrated rap, and the utterly chaotic hell of female pop/dance/etc., that we can not enjoy the full power of classic rock. Bands like Rush, Foreigner, Led Zeppelin, and (of course) Queen have lost most of their fire over the decades, and this new music is to blame for all of it.

I'm sure you all understand what I have said. Maybe you might even agree... :)



You're totally right!
Today, rubbish music has taken over so people can't fully appreciate the real rock music Queen had to offer... rap music amongst other 'so-called music' has taken over too much and i think real music, like Queen, will be soon non-existant.
I have no time for dance mixes, raps, and re-mixes. RnB, hip-hop, etc is ruling the chart and thats why i don't take much interest in the charts today. Its a shame...real music is slowly dying out.


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Posted: 17 Feb 06, 13:28 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I think the music was too intense for radio, especially songs like Innuendo. And Queen certainly wasn't "eye candy" in their later years, which seems to be a requirement to get any kind of airplay or promotion.

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Posted: 17 Feb 06, 14:25 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I think Queen remained as potent in the late eighties and early nineties as they had been before. The single Innuendo had got to number one and there had been two previous hits with I Want It All and Breakthru. This was average Queen success. AKOM only had two top ten UK hits and one of them was released as a standalone the prior Novemeber (One Vision). Jazz's best UK single got to number 9. We must recognise also that both the Miracle and Innuendo were number one on the album charts too, a real mark of recognition.

The perception of it being otherwise comes from many areas. Firstly Queen had reached such a level of acclaim and affection that they could now be "timeless" with their sound. Whereas with Ga Ga or AKOM, they had followed contemparory styles and made them their own, they could now afford to let the public come to them as opposed to the vice versa beforehand. The miracle and particularly Innuendo have a very timeless sound to them- on the latter there is very little "dance" music- it's orchestra and hard rock.

Secondly Queen no longer toured and touring even in the MTV era is a good way of reaching out for new fans. This lack of live work was disappointing, and so kept their name out of the spotlight but that brings me to the third reason. Freddie was too ill to tour or promote work in the way he once so there was no longer the constant media presence.

Finally Queen were older and more mature- it's obvious that youngsters wouldn't buy their work as much because of their suit and tie image but it did not appear to have a serious effect.

If anything, the perceived lack of single success does much to suggest that people were buying the albums more- a sign that thier work as a whole was a lot more consistent in the final years. This view is backed up by the attitude of the music magazines, who slowly started to realsie their talent. Innuendo, for example gets a favourable review in Q Magazine where it is described as full of energy.


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Posted: 17 Feb 06, 14:31 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I never really thought of all those aspects.
Thank you, Asterik. A fab reply indeed!


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Posted: 17 Feb 06, 15:46 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Did anyone else notice that rap and grunge really came to the forefront of popular music culture once Freddie passed away?

It's true. November 24th 1991 is the day that music died.
What we call modern "music" is a lifeless cadaver.
I eagerly wait for some kind of grand renaissance, where music will actually mean something, and make someone feel.

And I'm not talking about "emo" music. That's just loser-boy posturing about how people's life sucks. That's downer music.

Listen to a song like Breakthru, or Father to Son, or even the staples like WWRY or WATC.
That's upper music. That's music that makes you feel alive, even if the topics being touched on aren't too uplifting (like Somebody to Love or It's a Hard Life), the song is, and it makes you feel better.


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Posted: 17 Feb 06, 16:39 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

The Strokes, Subways, Blur, Oasis, Radiohead, Phish, The vines, hives, the darkness, the tea party, weezer, white stripes, hell, even some of green day's new stuff (although i consider them mainstream rock, not pop punk). All these bands that came to exist (or got big) after freddie died, are nothing?

Get over it, there IS life after freddie. He was great, but there are other people that are great too (although in a different way).


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Posted: 17 Feb 06, 16:50 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I agree, there IS life after freddie. Unfortunately those bands didn't really support the argument.

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Posted: 17 Feb 06, 17:10 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

nibznik wrote:

The Strokes, Subways, Blur, Oasis, Radiohead, Phish, The vines, hives, the darkness, the tea party, weezer, white stripes, hell, even some of green day's new stuff (although i consider them mainstream rock, not pop punk). All these bands that came to exist (or got big) after freddie died, are nothing?


Could you please name some bands that don't suck? Otherwise you just prove yourself wrong.



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Posted: 17 Feb 06, 19:02 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Mircrowave wrote:

I agree, there IS life after freddie. Unfortunately those bands didn't really support the argument.


- in your opinion.

Don't throw your opinion out in the open and present it as fact. These bands have sold a hell of a lot of records, so they must be doing something right.



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Posted: 17 Feb 06, 20:07 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

hey now, oasis are great noel gallegher is rock n roll. queen forever!


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Posted: 17 Feb 06, 20:55 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Let's all get over it. It's 2006, not 1975 anymore. The music changes. Time changes. People change.


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Posted: 17 Feb 06, 21:08 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Hadrian wrote:

Let's all get over it. It's 2006, not 1975 anymore. The music changes. Time changes. People change.


Not always for the better.


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Posted: 17 Feb 06, 21:26 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

nothing changes. there's no beginning there's no ending.................


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Posted: 18 Feb 06, 01:30 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

<font color=Orange>A Winter's Tale wrote:

People are blind to beauty.


True, I think that their later material is absolutely brilliant. So pure...great guitar...vocals....ok it's all great, just put it that way.


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Posted: 18 Feb 06, 06:00 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote


I don't like The Miracle.

Not the album, the song. A lot of the songs on The Miracle are good, but IMO the title track is not so good.


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