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Posted: 18 Feb 06, 12:22 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Early albums: Would you go as far to say that they slightly resemble a concept album of some sort?
I bring this up because I had this discussion with someone who thought that the first three albums (and possibly ANATO) were concept albums with some sort of storyline. I personally feel that it's up to interpretation; it's a chance for each Queen fan to interpret the meaning on their own.
I mean, it's not like The Who's "Tommy", where we all know it's a damn concept album. But the more I think about it (Queen that is), the more I wonder "Maybe they are? Maybe they aren't?"
So what about you guys? What do you think about it?
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Posted: 18 Feb 06, 16:01 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

At one site about concept albums,Queen II was listed as a concept album,but the theme and concept was not clear enough to figure out,so who knows?

At Wikipedia,Queen Made in Heaven is listed as a concept album but is about Life and Death with Freddie expressing the concepts through the songs he sings.

You'd think Queen would've made an official concept album,but they're okay with the albums as they were.

As for other concept albums,may I receommend the following?

KISS:THE ELDER
ELECTRIC LIGHT ORCHESTRA:TIME
RUSH 2112
STYX:PARADISE THEATER



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Posted: 20 Feb 06, 19:17 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Cnash wrote:

At one site about concept albums,Queen II was listed as a concept album,but the theme and concept was not clear enough to figure out,so who knows?

At Wikipedia,Queen Made in Heaven is listed as a concept album but is about Life and Death with Freddie expressing the concepts through the songs he sings.

You'd think Queen would've made an official concept album,but they're okay with the albums as they were.

As for other concept albums,may I receommend the following?

KISS:THE ELDER
ELECTRIC LIGHT ORCHESTRA:TIME
RUSH 2112
STYX:PARADISE THEATER



I think it's better that Queen didn't have an official concept album. If they did, I think a lot of the magic and luster would be lost; interpretation would mean nothing with their music like it does now.
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Posted: 20 Feb 06, 20:16 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

LadyMoonshineDown wrote:

Early albums: Would you go as far to say that they slightly resemble a concept album of some sort?

*Note: No drama, please. Thank you.



I'm hoping to contribute to this WITHOUT any drama!

I thought for clarity's sake, it would be worthwhile just cribbing in what Wiki says about concept albums:

"In popular music a concept album is an album which is pre-planned (conceived), most often with all songs contributing to a single overall theme or unified story, this plan or story being the concept. This is in contrast to the standard practice of an artist or group releasing an album consisting of a number of unconnected songs that the members of the group or the artist have written, or have chosen to perform or cover. Given that the suggestion of something as vague as an overall mood often tags a work as being a concept album, a precise definition of the term proves highly problematic."

Tricky to pin it down then. One of the contributors up the page notes how Queen II has a medieval feel to it. With this in mind, it would fit in nicely with the idea that "something as vague as an overall mood" can make an album a "concept".

People often talk about Floyd's Dark Side of the Moon as a concept album, though I have to say, I always felt it to be too disparate, and there is no one unifying theme, unlike, say Sinatra's "Wee Small Hours" album. As the article says, and as anyone who knows the album would know, it DOES have the themes in there - loneliness, love, solitude, isolation.

When you say earlier albums, it's hard to really go beyond the first two. Would you not agree that anything thereafter is far too dissimilar from song to song to lend themselves to being concept albums? Just a thought. Though I would agree that MIH certainly could fit into the category - especially when the final track is included.

Just my thoughts. Cheers

Paul



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Posted: 20 Feb 06, 21:12 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I'd call Queen II a concept album, definitely. Not just in the fact that all of the Black Side songs (with the exception of Seven Seas of Rhye flowed together), but also with the fact that the White Side features very optimistic songs (White Queen, Father to Son, Some Day One Day) with brighter music, while the Black Side is much darker, featuring heavy metal and psychadelic rock (March of the Black Queen, Ogre Battle, Fairy Feller).

I wouldn't call "Queen" a concept album, but there is an absolute theme to it; of all the songs (with the exception of Modern Times Rock and Roll, which has no business being on the album) feel like they're set in the first century, shortly after the death of Jesus. The theme of religion is in most of the songs: Jesus, obviously, but also Liar ("I have sinned dear Father", as though talking to a priest) and Great King Rat ("The great Lord before he died, knealt sinners by his side").


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Posted: 21 Feb 06, 19:32 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Yup.
Themes and concepts go hand in hand, but they aren't the same thing.
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Posted: 21 Feb 06, 19:38 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I just have to point out that if you've lifted your name directly from Brighton Rock verbatim, then you've misunderstood the lyric, as it's "lady moon, shine down".

There is no Lady Moonshine, only a Lady Moon.


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Posted: 21 Feb 06, 21:15 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

If any of them were a concept album it would have to be Queen II, most of the songs flow together and the songs themselves seem to tell some kind of story.


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Posted: 21 Feb 06, 21:49 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Bohardy wrote:

I just have to point out that if you've lifted your name directly from Brighton Rock verbatim, then you've misunderstood the lyric, as it's "lady moon, shine down".

There is no Lady Moonshine, only a Lady Moon.


D.u.h.
I combined it as one word; a screen name, so it would flow better, as opposed to having a screen name with four words and a comma. Oh, and if you break my screen name down, you'll see that "LadyMoonshineDown" is actually a combination of "Lady", "Moon","Shine", and "Down." Ta dah!
I misunderstood nothing.
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Posted: 22 Feb 06, 03:55 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Your version makes no grammatical sense though, whereas Brian's version does.


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Posted: 22 Feb 06, 10:38 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Bohardy wrote:

Your version makes no grammatical sense though, whereas Brian's version does.


You need to get out more...


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Posted: 22 Feb 06, 11:00 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Brian said they never wanted to do a concept album, and that Queen II with the "white" and "black" side is the closest thing to a concept album that Queen ever did, but even this wasn't really a planned thing. They came up with it after Freddie had written Black Queen and thought it might contrast nicely with White Queen.

Freddie wrote a bunch of fantasy songs on the first three albums. Some of them were inspired by the imaginary world of Rhye, which was the fantasy world Freddie dreamt up in his childhood.


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Posted: 22 Feb 06, 11:01 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Come to think of it, "Flash" is of course a concept album, and "A King Of Magic" as well (to a lesser degree), as the songs on those albums were inspired by a single source. :)


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Posted: 22 Feb 06, 12:54 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Flash and a Kind of Magic were really soundtracks to a pair of sci fi movies that Queen did,Flash Gordon and the original Highlander actually.

The queen music is what really made them good.
You'd think someone would've offered Queen a thrid film to do a soundtrack to do for a fim before fred died.
Ah well.

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Posted: 22 Feb 06, 18:57 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Bohardy wrote:

Your version makes no grammatical sense though, whereas Brian's version does.


Thank you professor.
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