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Posted: 27 Feb 06, 22:19 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Funny, even though I like the band, I never considered them "cool". In fact, in spite of all their achievements and popularity, they were very ordinary, even dorky looking guys. I mean, check out most photos of JD - nerd alert! BM is a total dork with that stoneage perm that he refuses to shear, and even FM for the most part looked like he was fairly uninterested with the band on a marketing level. I guess the only one even remotely hip was Roger, but even he was arrestable for tragic fashion sense in the 80s. I must also mention the extremely low hip factor of the majority of their fanbase: very dorky and unsexy themselves. I think I've mentioned how ugly some fans are, based on the concert footage I've seen (please don't take offence here, people!) I guess it's fair to conclude that a band will attract like-minded people.

Now I understand what Bob Geldof was talking about all those years ago...


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Posted: 27 Feb 06, 22:25 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Thats the cool thing about becoming "famous."

Once-back in the day- you were considered to be a dork, a nerd etc(have you ever looked back on some of your pictures as a kid, 3rd grade, 4th grade, etc); then all of a sudden, once you get all that money, your fine, your cute, a leader of fashion, etc. I do honestly think they were just average looking guys, but Freddie had a kinda an exotic look to him, almost like a japanesse cartoon character! The rest of them, just look like regular guys to me, not too cute, not too ugly...lol But I will say one thing, they ALL looked really cute in their Radio-ga-ga video...even John with the afro, lol!!!

And just for the record, I'm still trying to get out of my "dork" phase, and I'm 23, lol!


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Posted: 27 Feb 06, 22:34 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Stop listening to Queen and you will blossom into a hip kat.


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Posted: 27 Feb 06, 22:37 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I just discovered some insight to myself actually - maybe that's the reason why Hot Space is my fav album, because it's definitely their coolest one!


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Posted: 27 Feb 06, 22:58 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Dork forever. Peace out Fabio!!!

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Posted: 27 Feb 06, 23:32 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Can I point out that before Queen, Freddie was an artist, Brian was a maths teacher and was writing a thesus on astro-physics or something like that, John had a degree in electronics and Roger was training to be a dentist. They have got to be the COOLEST painter/dentist/electrician/astro-physisct/maths teacher ever!



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Posted: 28 Feb 06, 00:04 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Weren't they cool in the US when The Game came out?

And Pink Floyd were all college grads too I think and were cool...Devo comes to mind as well :)


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Posted: 28 Feb 06, 00:53 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

goinback wrote:

Weren't they cool in the US when The Game came out?

And Pink Floyd were all college grads too I think and were cool...Devo comes to mind as well :)


'Ironic' is the only word I can use to describe Queen's success in the U.S. It was the singles that incidentally sounded nothing like Queen songs (Crazy and Dust) that gave them their biggest hits there. Even more ironic is the fact that Bo Rap became a hit in '92 ONLY after it was featured in Wayne's World (mind you, the insignificant parallel event of FM's death had nothing to do with it).

What does this say about Americans? ;)


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Posted: 28 Feb 06, 01:57 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

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Yeah...I was reading their bios on this site, and Brian was and still is REALLY smart, just from reading his bio...man, but I really have respect for them, because they finished college before they really got into the music industry, they takes a lot!!
I went to school right after I turned 18, and only went for one year...I have a lot of personal issues...but I'm ready to go back!!

Question: Was John, with him being the youngest, still in College when the band was offically formed, couldnt find it in the bio section?



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Posted: 28 Feb 06, 03:33 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

onelonelypussycat wrote:

To The prophet's song:


Yeah...I was reading their bios on this site, and Brian was and still is REALLY smart, just from reading his bio...man, but I really have respect for them, because they finished college before they really got into the music industry, they takes a lot!!
I went to school right after I turned 18, and only went for one year...I have a lot of personal issues...but I'm ready to go back!!

Question: Was John, with him being the youngest, still in College when the band was offically formed, couldnt find it in the bio section?


I'm not fully sure, but after all the bio's I have read, it would seem that he got his BSc Hons in electronics, so I assume he had finished Collage when he joined Queen.


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Posted: 28 Feb 06, 07:00 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

hey, brian's hair is COOL!!! btw I believe he taught physics, not maths. Either way, can I have him as a teacher :) he might be able to learn me something, i'n dreadfull in both


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Posted: 28 Feb 06, 07:18 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote


Flash Danny has raised an interesting point, I myself recently responded to a thread under the "1970's vs 1980's Queen era" where I said the less said about John Deacon's presentation after 1980, the better. Any yet fuck all made any statements about this...silence maybe a sign of agreeance, I don't know.

However, whilst I think Deacon is an awesome bass player and he also comes across as a thorough gentlemen, for some reason he really took on the
"dork" or "nerd" role to a tee in the 80's with he's appearances. It is though he didn't care no longer about dressing in rock star attire (did he ever?)

In regards to Mercury, in the 80's he was like no other, even if some would suggest he didn't look the part of a rock star (singlets, short hair and a mostache), he didn't have the long hair-rock star look such as David Lee Roth, Bon Jovi and Vince Neill anymore, however he was still an individual, who else could you compare him too??

I hope this all makes sense to the readers, and it is an interesting discussion whether Queen looked cool or not. Personally, Taylor and May looked cool in their own way, and Mercury, well individuality to me is a sign of coolness.

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Posted: 28 Feb 06, 09:06 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Queen were never regarding as cool by the public at large.

In the 80's, Freddie looked like the #2 man in Frankie Goes to Hollywood. Otherwise, Fred did have a unique look in rock. However, in the gay community, he had the "gay clone" look down pat.

Regarding Queen's success in the U.S. being "ironic," I beg to differ. Sure, Dust and Crazy Little Thing were Queen's biggest chart singles, but Queen had steady success through the mid to late 70's. Bo Rhap, Best Friend, FBG, Rock You/Champions all received significant U.S. airplay throughout Queen's career and to this day. Let's not just look at chart toppers and ignore the rest.

If Best Friend was Queen's biggest U.S. hit, that would be considered an anomaly as well. Thing is, Queen's catalog is FILLED with anamolies -- that's what we love about them!

Besides, lots of bands have their "anomalies" become big hits. For instance, the Cars' biggest single was "Drive," which was sung by Ben Orr, their bassist, and not Ric Ocasek. (I always thought Orr looked like Roger Taylor in that video.)

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Posted: 28 Feb 06, 09:18 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote


John Deacon graduated with the best grade in his class, a few months after joining Queen.

When it came to career decisions, Roger and Freddie wanted to be involved in music from the begining, Brian after Queen II and John after Sheer Heart Attack.




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Posted: 28 Feb 06, 16:12 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

The Flash Danny Project wrote:

'Ironic' is the only word I can use to describe Queen's success in the U.S. It was the singles that incidentally sounded nothing like Queen songs (Crazy and Dust) that gave them their biggest hits there. Even more ironic is the fact that Bo Rap became a hit in '92 ONLY after it was featured in Wayne's World (mind you, the insignificant parallel event of FM's death had nothing to do with it).

What does this say about Americans? ;)



True, but from an American fans perspective...

Queen had killed their career in the States long before Freddie died, so his death didn't generate the coffin-chasing sales that it did in the rest of the world. Wayne's World introduced BoRap to a whole new generation that probably had no idea who Freddie was due to their decline on the American scene a decade earlier.

I stuck with the band in the early eighties, but the release of Flash and Hot Space back-to-back sent most fans packing. They had a shot at getting some fans back in 83, but when the lead single off your new album has the chorus "Radio Ga Ga, Radio Goo Goo, Radio Blah Blah", and you decide to quit touring the states, you weren't doing yourself any favors. The rumor (that Brian likes to subscribe to) is that the Break Free video turned America off. But being a fan, I can say that no one really cared about Queen anymore one way or the other at the time, and the video to a banal song didn't make much difference.

CLTCL and AOBTD were very "American sounding" songs (rockabilly and funk), so I guess it seems natural that they were big hits. The other single releases were more "British" (for lack of a better term) and probably not as digestable to the masses here.

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Posted: 28 Feb 06, 16:13 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Whoops - sorry for the bold post - not sure what happened there.

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Posted: 28 Feb 06, 16:48 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I have to say I like the bold typeface. How do you do that?

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Posted: 28 Feb 06, 16:57 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Why the fuck does everyone go on about were queen big in the US or not. Quite honestly i don't give a shit. It doesn't matter. America has a population of 240m people - Europe has a population of 807m people.

Yes i know being big in america will get you more coverage but america isn't the be all and end all.

America has not the greatest taste in music anyway. Listen to that crap r+b shit, or the grammy awards - what a load of rubbish (and that's so true - U2 have only something like 15, Queen, Led Zep, the Who, Jimi Hendrix have won 0).

Europe has a better musical culture. That's just a fact. All the great bands are from europe (UK). America is too diverse and yes Queen are big there. They'll still be playing we will rock you...in 20 yrs time. Will they be playing U2 for example??


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Posted: 28 Feb 06, 16:59 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

How do you define "cool"? I can't imagine that you would want Queen to look or act like Mick Jagger or Keith Richard (really coarse) or to be like Paul McCartney (almost prissy).

Each member of Queen is cool in his own way. John, while mildly introverted, is studly with his bass, is articulate, and has a wry and dry sense of humor. Brian is brilliant, refined, polite, and even with his long curly locks always manages to avoid looking grungy. Roger is cool in any way you could define the word. Freddie was particularly cool as a stage frontman.

We're talking here about a unique group of guys. Immensely talented, very well educated, and each member of the group wrote some incredibly great songs. That's why the group has been so successful.

I hope this gives you a sense of why I think each of the group is "cool".

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Posted: 28 Feb 06, 18:50 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Hello everyone...

I am a newbie to the site. But definitely not a newbie to Queen. As a professional musician all my life, I can tell you they were probably THE main musical influence only equal to the Beatles in my quest to become a 'rock god'!!

You know....the thing about the word 'cool' itself means that it is a FAD. It comes and goes very fast. 'cool' is FICKLE. And in my eyes, most people who follow cool are fickle too. I'm an American, and I see supposed "cool" all around me everyday....and to be honest....after years in the biz...I would rather be known as an artist who had longevity and a wealth of stedfast fans, than any poser who doesn't think I'm COOL anymore or ever was. Punk Rock was COOL. Punk rock was also a fad. It has had a short revival again, but if you notice, it's considered RETRO....it will be COOL for awhile..then gone again....

That being said....Nope...Queen was NEVER cool. But why would you want to be cool when you ARE your own musical genre?? I mean...who else EVER sounded like them, and had such a following that STILL would be willing to see them, even if the frontman would no longer be here to lead?

To this day, I can safely say that not even die hard fans, no matter HOW loyal, unless they were a musician themselves, knowledgable of not only recording techniques, but musical arrangements, and the discipline to meticulously nail down perfectly what they did in the studio...(180 overdubs of Freddie's voice to literally make an Opera section for heaven's sake) could even imagine the shear genius that was ticking away in the heads of those four guys when creating the albums they did.....It IS a testament to the guys to still have so many NOT SO COOL fans!!!

I'm glad to be seeing them in Cleveland in three weeks....I absolutely cannot wait!!! It will be a much long awaited dream.....

Cheers!!!