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Posted: 06 Mar 06, 08:23 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

"We call it "Take Love". I don't know for sure what Paul will want the official title to be, when it becomes 'a record'.

We'll be giving it another airing tonight !

I like the song .... it has that deceptively simple "not trying too hard" catchiness that many of Paul's classics had in the old days. But it's fresh - and tells a story. It's great fun to play ....still evolving, so still fun to try things on".




That was what Brian said, so does that mean it's a new song never before heard? or is it an old PR song? And that quote about 'a record' YES!!!!!! brilliant new 'live' or new studio!!!!!!!?





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Posted: 06 Mar 06, 09:57 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Replying to me... and anyone that is interested, after som research it would appear that it was written for the Q+PR project, therefore will probably end up on the NEW ALBUM!!!!!!!!

WHOOOO Long live Queen, long live Queen+ Paul Rodgers!


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Posted: 06 Mar 06, 16:48 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

does "some research" = "re-reading the perfectly clear original"?

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Posted: 06 Mar 06, 17:56 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

it's very very new


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Posted: 06 Mar 06, 18:09 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

"It has that deceptively simple "not trying too hard" catchiness that many of Paul's classics had in the old days"

I think Brian means it's the same riff repeated a couple of hundred times with a boring verse-chorus-verse-chorus-verse-verse structure like Can't Get Enough and A Little Bit Of Love.

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Posted: 06 Mar 06, 19:05 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

and where can we here this song

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Posted: 07 Mar 06, 03:48 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Pim Derks wrote:

"It has that deceptively simple "not trying too hard" catchiness that many of Paul's classics had in the old days"

I think Brian means it's the same riff repeated a couple of hundred times with a boring verse-chorus-verse-chorus-verse-verse structure like Can't Get Enough and A Little Bit Of Love.


Well when you write a multi million selling track let me know!


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Posted: 07 Mar 06, 03:51 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Thanks wrote:

does "some research" = "re-reading the perfectly clear original"?


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Posted: 07 Mar 06, 07:05 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

A song doesn't have to be Bo Rap to be a great song, some of the most successful well crafted songs are really simple, Yesterday, Hey Jude, etc ring any bells?


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Posted: 07 Mar 06, 07:33 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

How can you slag off a song you have never heard? that is a great display of ignorance, just shows what bright balanced individuals these Paul Rodgers haters are!


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Posted: 07 Mar 06, 07:42 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

No no no, friend! Yesterday is not simple. Yes it has Verse+Chorus structure but in each of two parts it has "many" chords. It uses I, VIIb, II, IIImaj, IV, V, VI. And it has a-not-common modulation to VI.

Hey Jude is not simple. Besides many chords, it has also not usual structure. But both songs, yes - very simple to play and to remember the chords.

Besides all of this, the MELODY makes a song. Yes, you could write 3 chords song with just verse+chorus but it would have a beautiful melody. An example - Tavaszi Szél. Paul Rodgers doesn't have a skill for composing. If we talk about Composing with a big letter "C".


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Posted: 07 Mar 06, 07:54 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Whether you think those examples are simple or not is beside the point,(Yesterday was the first song I learnt to play on guitar how complicated do you think it is?) the fact and my point was a song doesn't have to be complicated to be good or well crafted.

People are commenting on the fact the song is rubbish before they even hear it!

Pauls history would seem to contradict your comments about his ability, I am old enough to remember when he was first around, and I can tell you, his stuff was a big deal back then, people got very excited at the prospect of new releases, and as he has sold a few albums in his time, comments like he doesn't have any abiliity seem moronic, the facts speak for themselves.




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Posted: 07 Mar 06, 08:52 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

My first piano song was Bohemian Rhapsody - from beginning to the end - when I just started playing piano. And it is not simple if you play not just first 3 chords that any kid can play. So, if you really like it, you can start simply with Yesterday because your love to music rules you. It doesn't say anything about Yesterday. For Yesterday you need to learn these 7 chords.

Popularity means nothing. That Paul with his bad company was popular doesn't count anything. It's an american crazyness, an american taste. And how Queen were popular proves what american listeners are. Let's opperate with just our thoughts on what real, great music is for us. Paul is just regular balladeer. OK, - for myself.



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Posted: 07 Mar 06, 09:00 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

"Popularity means nothing. That Paul with his bad company was popular doesn't count anything. It's an american crazyness, an american taste. And how Queen were popular proves what american listeners are. Let's opperate with just our thoughts on what real, great music is for us. Paul is just regular balladeer. OK, - for myself".

What?

read that back and tell me if it makes any sense?

You seem to be good at missing the point, WHICH IS how can you comment on a song you have never heard!



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Posted: 07 Mar 06, 09:00 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

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Popularity means nothing. That Paul with his bad company was popular doesn't count anything. It's an american crazyness, an american taste. And how Queen were popular proves what american listeners are. Let's opperate with just our thoughts on what real, great music is for us. Paul is just regular balladeer. OK, - for myself.


I bought Bad Company's first album the other day. It's great, I love it. Yes, the songs on it are simple compositions, but there's a lot of soul in the songs, and great melodies. "Seagull" for example is a simple song, 4 chords, simple structure, simple arrangement, but it's a great ballad. Paul is no Beethoven to be sure, but I like his music nonetheless.


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Posted: 07 Mar 06, 13:21 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Guys, I like Seagull too! But how many others you can count? 4-8 songs? We are here at Queenzone and I compare his composing with Queen. Queen never put ANY feeble song into the album. Every song is a masterpiece. I love so many other bands but I just wanna say Queen is a mountain and compare Paul to them.

I can sit with my Ovation guitar and play 2-3 chords and I like it, and I put a soul in these 2-3 chords but it'll never be a song to release, THE SONG must be something else!!!

It always looks rude when try to compare creations. Telling the truth I don't like to compare musician's creations...

Stop it! This is not a topic theme. I'm very excited that Paul will record something with Roger & Brian! That's fantastic!

P.S. In my replies I didn't comment NEW Paul's song. We're talking about his composing.


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Posted: 08 Mar 06, 04:04 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

"Queen never put any feeble songs onto an album"

Well there are many that would dispute that! Body Language! springs to mind, look on many of Queen albums there is at least one weak track

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etc, I am sure many will agree that not every queen track is a master, but my original point was you can't slag off a song until you hear it, and secondly a simple song doesn't make it a bad song.

Look at Dear Friends, it's wonderful, and very basic, imagine if Paul had presented that as his first composition with Q+PR, you lot would have slagged it off until the Christmas.

The man has written some real jems, he has a style, yes, it's diferent to Queen, yes, but nobody can claim he can't write, because he clearly can otherwise he would not have managed to stay working in the music business for 40 years



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Posted: 08 Mar 06, 09:02 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Togg wrote:

but my original point was you can't slag off a song until you hear it, and secondly a simple song doesn't make it a bad song.

Simple songs can indeed be good songs. But that doesn't mean they all are good songs. Based on the 45 seconds I've heard so far, for me "Take Love" falls into the "not so fantastic" category.


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Posted: 08 Mar 06, 10:25 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

You paraphrase my words! I ALSO consider that it doesn't mean how simple song is. I put a Tavazi Szel example. A feeble song mustn't be a simple, who did say this? You can wrote 22 chords song with 11 modulations but it would be awful. Please read carefully. I just wanna say THAT, for my musicical taste, all the songs that Paul wrote (most of them are simple) besides 2-3 are average songs for me. That's it. Point.


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Posted: 08 Mar 06, 10:48 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

True I agree, simple can be dreadful sometimes, as for all of Pauls songs, well he has worked on more albums then Queen and I haven't heard them all, but I wouldn't say they were all simple and in the same style, he has put a lot out over the years, most of his hits have a certain 'feel' to them, but check out some of his older albums.


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