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Posted: 13 Mar 06, 22:15 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote



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Posted: 13 Mar 06, 22:16 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

we will rock you is one of the biggest stadium anthems of all times. i never understood why the rest of the world got it & we didnt?

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Posted: 13 Mar 06, 22:48 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I'm not sure what part of the States you live in but in the places I've lived We Will Rock You has been mainstaple at every sporting event. And additionally, I hear Queen on the radio virtually every day. Sometimes, even unconventional Queen radio songs. For instance, Alice Cooper played Millionaire Waltz on his show tonight. Heard One Vision and Tie Your Mother Down last week. And I'm always hearing Fat Bottomed Girls, We Will Rock You, We Are The Champions, Bohemian Rhapsody, Killer Queen, and Another One Bites The Dust. And this is Arkansas...the least likely Queen friendly state in the nation. Granted, they're not topping the charts in the States right now but neither are Zeppelin, The Beatles, Elvis, or any of the other classics that Americans love. I'm not sure why people think Queen aren't popular in America. Since their resurgence in '91 they have always been highly revered in the classic rock circles I'm familiar with.

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Posted: 14 Mar 06, 02:14 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Cinderella:

I always wondered this too, since they were so talented...and Freddie has some hella good vocals...I know they stopped touring in the states when people started to realize that Freddie was gay, thats what Roger said in an interview:

http://queenzone.com/queenzone/news_view.aspx?news_id=3565

But thats soooo stupid, werent most of those male singers, musicians, etc in the 70's-80'd from the UK gay, or at least Bi?: (Mick Jagger,Elton John, David Bowie, Boy George, George Micheals, etc) What is that he (Freddie) put out there? I dont understand, so what if he was gay, when he and the band did their thing, it wasnt like they were trying to "make" anyone else gay, they were just simply "doing their thang." Thats so ignorant and stupid!!! The U.S can be soooo sterotypical and homophobic!!!!!


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Posted: 14 Mar 06, 09:34 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

They killed all of their US momentum with the Hot Space album. Then, at the beginning of the MTV generation, they put out the Body Language video, followed by the IWTBF video....

Add to that the anti-Gay backlash in the mid 80's due to AIDS, and you get a great band that could not have gotten arrested in the US.

Now, had they decided to actually TOUR here in 84, 86, things would have been vastly different. Thus, they were forgotten, by and large, by the MTV generation until Waynes World.


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Posted: 14 Mar 06, 13:54 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

and I want to break free....partly due to the fact that when USA saw it many people didn't understand the humour intended in the video... some took it too seriously... i think the video is fab! I'm sure many americans do aswell. It's a shame they under-rated the song.


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Posted: 14 Mar 06, 14:07 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote


Obviously the vid for IWTBF being banned was a major factor. Incidentally, does anyone know what else happened? Like, was it just played on radio (or was even that banned) or was an alternative vid made for it?
Anyone think if The Works had sold better Queen would have gone back to play America again?


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Posted: 14 Mar 06, 14:14 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Um, Queen WERE big in the States! I know this for a fact because I grew up here and went through the experience back in the late 70's with their tours and albums. Especially 77-80. After Hot Space it quickly faded until Freddies' death.

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Posted: 14 Mar 06, 14:45 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

enough with this!Queen are probably at this point the most popular of the supergroups that evolved from the 70's.a few awful albums did cut into there popularity for a period but they have, as all quality bands do,risen back to there rightful place in history.I am convinced had they toured here for the works that album would have had much more success and had the Magic tour come to the states it would have turned this country on its head.I think Freddie was angry at us for not buying into the Hot Space project and that he decided there were other markets to play to.


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Posted: 14 Mar 06, 14:56 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Haystacks you're Spot on - if I may add in the mid to late 70's they were Big & getting Bigger (in terms of sales - if memory serves me they were bigger here than anywhere else) I think it was several factors not the least of which, the albums just weren't as good - sure there was a good song here & there but not solid from start to finish like the earlier stuff. when a new LP came out Rock Radio, which most of the fans would listen to,would always play 5 or 6 different cuts if not more.... once Hot space rolled around you got the single & maybe another rock oriented cut, for a week or so & then it would be gone (put out the fire comes to mind)...at that point I think what was left were the diehards & the Band made very little inroads after that ...my personal opinion is if they would've release The Works in 82 instead of Hot space they would've continued to grow or at the very least stayed status quo...I remember talking to an AR person at Capitol and she said the Only way Queen will tour the states is if they have a #1 album... which at that point wasn't gonna happen -


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Posted: 14 Mar 06, 17:47 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

They were big here, but outside of real true fans, (which im sure there are more of here than people think)they seemed to have faded into the backround a bit. There are the exceptions however like WWRY,WATC and Bo Rhap, but there are some awesome DJ"s like Alice Cooper who do play some of Queens other stuff thats absolutely fab but were never released as singles.
The thing about the US was they didnt have as big a resurgence as they did in '91 w/ Waynes World and the Re-Release of Bo Rhap.
But the US has always been a kinda flavor of the month type place as far as music goes IMO anyway...
Yes they are recognized as one of the Greatest Rock Bands a bit more now, but its still not as strong as it is in Europe and the UK.
Which makes me sad that the US didnt get it because I do as an American. But when things are in the hands of corporate fat cats who are sometimes either wayyy to liberal (i.e rap rumpshakin w/ breasts out everywhere) or wayyy to conservative (i.e the banning of IWTBF)
I mean theres not much true fans can do about it if they dont come here. I can see why they did not tho. BUt im glad they're back in Freddies memory and i get to see them for the first time ever!




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Posted: 14 Mar 06, 18:22 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

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yea i always thought that the IWTBF video was like the turning point in US interests in Queen..
well thats what i got from interviews
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That's always been Brian's excuse, but as a Queen fan in the states I can say that the video fell on deaf ears (blind eyes?) because they had already lost most of their fans due to reasons listed earlier in this thread. I think it has less to do with America's homophobia as it does with their taste in music.



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Posted: 14 Mar 06, 19:13 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Queen were HUGE in the states until '82 or so...just listen to the crowd energy on the '80 boots especially.

Awhile back someone posted a link to Brian talking about a backlash against Queen because of one of their PR people being a jerk to record companies and other people...it actually sounded like a more credible reason for their loss of popularity than the IWTBF video and Hot Space (though those didn't help). Anyone know what I'm talking about?


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Posted: 14 Mar 06, 21:10 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

goinback,

yes, and it was Paul Prenter, if I remember correctly. And I guess the not existing promotion by Capitol added to it. I heard that's why they signed the contract with HR.

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Posted: 14 Mar 06, 21:24 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Yeah we can listen to the crowd reaction (and I must say, Queen audience whatever country Queen play is always lovely wonderful) and remember about those several Queen USA hit-efforts (they are Bohemian Rhapsody, We Will Rock You, Champions, Crazy Little, Another One Bites and that's it!...)
But the reason that Queen were not enough successful in USA, I think, because they don't understand delicateness in Art and Music. Why we, Europeans, shiver when see Fred toasts a shampagne for an audience, americans don't react on any elegance. The same they love in Music NAMELY as I said above. Elvi Presley is their king, not Mercury. And very easy 4-chords country music is an adoration for every american... Sorry americans, I love you but I guess so. AND! - The same is happenning now in Russia - 80-85% listen to the dirty-cheap "1-chord" pop with no live voices on concerts........... I can tell you in 10000 words how magic Brian's St. Petersburg & Moscow concerts were, how it was wonderful to get their autographs and talking to him but the truth is that Brian and Queen are less popular in Russia than in USA.




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Posted: 15 Mar 06, 18:16 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I agree with previous poster, but as an American, I can say that i love all that is Queen, and could care less what statistics etc say...
And i do wish they got more respect here...
It seems also that even the Beatles have been forgotten... They're mentioned alot, but still these great bands are seemingly tossed on the back burner...


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Posted: 15 Mar 06, 20:52 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

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But the reason that Queen were not enough successful in USA, I think, because they don't understand delicateness in Art and Music. Why we, Europeans, shiver when see Fred toasts a shampagne for an audience, americans don't react on any elegance....

...And very easy 4-chords country music is an adoration for every american... Sorry americans, I love you but I guess so.


That's okay. I know you're not talking to every single one of us. ;-)


And I think many in the US are uptight homophobes - which should have nothing to do with music - or anything, for that matter. But there you have it.

Arrgh.


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Posted: 15 Mar 06, 21:57 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Dreamin, beautiful, I'm sure you are dead Queen lovers but... yes, when I'd been to US two times in 2002 & 2003 I can say even The Beatles are 'forgotten'. Of course, almost everybody has their 'The One' album but... :-)))

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Posted: 15 Mar 06, 22:58 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Seven_Seas_Of_Rhye II wrote:

Dreamin, beautiful, I'm sure you are dead Queen lovers but... yes, when I'd been to US two times in 2002 & 2003 I can say even The Beatles are 'forgotten'. Of course, almost everybody has their 'The One' album but... :-)))

I love you all Queen fans, God bless us and the great Queen music! Kisses!


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Posted: 16 Mar 06, 01:54 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I'm tired of this Bull. Queen are very big in the States, they have 5 top top ten hits and over a dozen top 40's. You can't listen to the radio without hearing a queen song, I admit their not on par with the beatles, stones, zep, the who, hendrix, but their still huge. Top ten of the biggest rock bands in history in america.