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Posted: 16 Mar 06, 14:06 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Do you have GH2 DVD? If so they say it on disk 2 The Miracle section.


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Posted: 16 Mar 06, 14:40 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

To be honest, they decided that they'd rather share the credit. Basically, they'd had songs where everyone contributed something and then it would go back to the main writer.

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Posted: 16 Mar 06, 15:08 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Even if they shared the credit in all (One Vision, Miracle, Innuendo and post-Innuendo) of those tracks, the only one that comes close to be co-written by the entire band was The Show Must Go On (in which Freddie, however, had notably less input than the others).

Out of those 30-31 songs credited to the band, John Deacon only composed one and contributed widely to three-four of the rest. He was indeed a superb businessman.


John hated HS. Fred's fave singer was not PR. Roger didn't compose 'Innuendo.' Witness testimonies are often inaccurate. Scotland's not in England. 'Bo Rhap' hasn't got 180 voices.
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Posted: 17 Mar 06, 11:13 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Yes, I don't think John had much input with Innuendo did he? Correct me if i'm wrong, but it was something like this;
innuendo- FM
'slightly mad- FM
headlong-BM
I can't live with you-BM
Don't try so hard-FM (JD?)
'Wild Wind-RT
All God's people-FM
TATDOOL-RT
Delilah-FM
Hitman-FM?
Bijou-FM/BM
Show Must Go On-BM

In my view, it's no surprise that this return to form co-incided with fred writing more and John less.


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Posted: 17 Mar 06, 14:42 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Don't Try So Had didn't have input from John. But he did co-write 90% of Show Must Go On's music.


John hated HS. Fred's fave singer was not PR. Roger didn't compose 'Innuendo.' Witness testimonies are often inaccurate. Scotland's not in England. 'Bo Rhap' hasn't got 180 voices.
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Posted: 17 Mar 06, 14:53 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

"Who wrote what" by Sebastian:
http://www.queenzone.com/queenzone/forumnew/forum_topic_view.aspx?Q=580304

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Posted: 17 Mar 06, 15:26 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Sebastian wrote:

Don't Try So Had didn't have input from John. But he did co-write 90% of Show Must Go On's music.


oh that is a surprise- it sounds like one of his sentimental ones. Thanks, Sebastian.


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Posted: 17 Mar 06, 16:30 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Sebastian wrote:

Don't Try So Had didn't have input from John. But he did co-write 90% of Show Must Go On's music.


I think that's giving John too much credit. Just because John and Roger were fooling around with a chord sequence which Brian later used as a basis for TSMGO, doesn't mean he wrote 90% of the song, EVEN IF said chord sequence is a very important feature of the song. Brian added lyrics, melodies, a bridge and put it all together and made it into a song. I wouldn't be surprised if Brian even changed a chord or tow from the original sequence. So, to me, Brian is the one who wrote 90% of TSMGO, certainly not John, and even if you want to view it that way, you should give him 45% of the credit and Roger the other 45% ;)

I know you disagree with this point of view, Sebastian, but I felt I had to point this out, because otherwise people might get the impression John had a lot more input in this song than he actually did.


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Posted: 17 Mar 06, 21:35 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

As I said before, John & Roger wrote the chord sequence which works as 90% of the music (not the lyrics). Brian was, musically, much more an arranger than a co-writer (similar case as Freddie with AKOM or Radio Ga Ga). Of course I don't mean the melody or the lyrics.

That's why I said "90% of the music", but all in all, I agree to disagree :)


John hated HS. Fred's fave singer was not PR. Roger didn't compose 'Innuendo.' Witness testimonies are often inaccurate. Scotland's not in England. 'Bo Rhap' hasn't got 180 voices.
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Posted: 18 Mar 06, 01:50 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I remember reading some commentary on this.
I believe it was Peter Freestone who discussed this in his book about Freddie....

Music royalties are divided equally between the names listed in the writer credit. In the early years Freddie was very savvy to this fact and it once created a huge fight when Roger wanted "I'm in Love with My Car" to be the "B" Side of a Freddie credited "A" side hit song.

Apparently Freddie didn't believe Roger's song would sell the single and that his "A" side hit would be the creative moneymaker. Freddie preferred to have a "B" side track he had writing credit for....this would mean Freddie would get maximal income from the hit single.

Later on when Freddie realized his days were limited he insisted that all four share equally in the writing credit.

Freestone believes Freddie wanted the others to maximally benefit financially from the future royalties. Freddie had already amassed an enormous personal fortune that would provide well for Mary upon his impending death.






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Posted: 18 Mar 06, 04:29 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I've heard bits about this.

What I gather is that they were going through some difficult times over the previous 4 or so years so they decided making the writing change would bring them closer together musically, promote individual interest with every song, and allow them each an equal share of the profits, regardless of who gets the single/singles released.

I think it worked like a charm. It's fun for me to try and spot the individual influences, although it's not like they didn't each add their individual touches before, even on songs they didn't write. For instance, you can't convince me Freddie didn't impact Prophet Song considerably, just as Brian likely left a huge impact on Liar.

I wonder how they will handle the situation with Paul now that it looks like they will be recording again.

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Posted: 18 Mar 06, 10:26 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Yes indeed Fred was two steps nearer to his grave so he wouldn't need much more money to spend. John otoh, is a superb businessman (I've said it a million times but I'm not tired).


John hated HS. Fred's fave singer was not PR. Roger didn't compose 'Innuendo.' Witness testimonies are often inaccurate. Scotland's not in England. 'Bo Rhap' hasn't got 180 voices.
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Posted: 18 Mar 06, 10:35 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

yes. ive heard that he did a lot of queen management in mid and late 80-s



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Posted: 19 Mar 06, 11:14 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Sebastian wrote:

John otoh, is a superb businessman


Yeah, that whole stripper thing was a shrewd marketing decision!


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