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Posted: 24 Mar 06, 06:46 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Is their a difference between writing poetry and writing song lyrics. I wanted to take a class here in Milwaukee on songwriting, because I heard there is a difference? Heres one of my poems that I wrote a couple of days ago...

Glory days...
by onelonelypussycat


Now that our glory days
have past us by
went faster than the blink of an eye
then birds flying in the bluest sky
I wonder what is left of you and I
I wonder what is left of me and you
I wonder if what they said
about us is really true
Looking at old pictures
thinking about the old days
Saying to myself: Have our glory days...
finally gone away?

(not the whole poem)

Do you write any?

Post it, so I can read it!!! :)
Thanks!






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Posted: 24 Mar 06, 18:24 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I write poetry. I'm in a band so I'm trying to write some songs, but it's hard as I'm having trouble thinking of melodies.

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Posted: 24 Mar 06, 19:04 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I don't know what's easier. They seem pretty similar.
I've made a few poems, but most of them suck (and are personal). I'll share part of one though that is not personal. Anyhow, here's a fragment from my half-assed rough draft of a two page poem I've never finished:
__________________________________________


A normal person on the street
Someone who you should never meet
A demon inside waiting to be unleashed
A new danger grows as the sun will decease
The full moon will soon be rising
A beast is soon to be on the horizon

It is the curse...

When you see that you can't see any more
That's when it hunts so lock your door
Around the corner
Around the block
Time's running out
So make your move
It might be your last
You, your life, only of the past
The bitch is back
That's what they say
Hello night!
I'm here to stay.

The beast shows no mercy
It is full of pride
To fill the insatiable thirst for blood
The undying hunger for flesh
There will be no evidence left behind to hide

The sadistic pleasure for pain
The fun of the chase
Unworthy fools trapped
Incredulous and out of place

It toys (with your mind)
It destroys (your will)
It toys (with your strength)
It destroys (your body)

The fate you knew
Once you two met
The terror carried through
Released from the sunset

...to which all hell broke loose once again

With fragments of a memory from SomeThing else
The nightmares come
One can only want to kill herself
Aware the time will come once again
A new inncocent will feel Its wrath
A new innocent who crosses Its path


Whatever poor soul crosses into Its path.


"The walls we build around us to keep sadness out also keep out the joy."

(Jim Rohn)
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Posted: 24 Mar 06, 19:53 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Onelonelypussycat: Is THERE a difference between writing poetry and writing song lyrics?

No.

The only difference is that lyrics should scan to fit the music - so must be more rhythmical. (This does not mean that all lyrics must rhyme - or cannot be free verse).

Many established poems (the works of Robert Burns for example) were not originally written as music. The music to 'My Love Is Like A Red, Red Rose' and 'Auld Lang Syne' - was added later.

Conversely, the Susan Vega song 'Tom's Diner' was a tune without lyrics - and when the lyrics were added later, you may notice that they were free-verse and did NOT Rhyme.
Neither did the lyrics follow the traditional - verse, verse, chorus - song pattern:


'Tom's Diner'

I am waiting
At the counter
For the man
To pour the coffee

And he fills it
Only halfway
And before
I even argue

He is looking
Out the window
At somebody
Coming in

"It is always
Nice to see you"
Says the man
Behind the counter

To the woman
Who has come in
She is shaking
Her umbrella

And I look
The other way
As they are kissing
Their hellos

I'm pretending
Not to see them
And instead
I pour the milk

I open
Up the paper
There's a story
Of an actor

Who had died
While he was drinking
It was no one
I had heard of

And I'm turning
To the horoscope
And looking
For the funnies

When I'm feeling
Someone watching me
And so
I raise my head

There's a woman
On the outside
Looking inside
Does she see me?

No she does not
Really see me
Cause she sees
Her own reflection

And I'm trying
Not to notice
That she's hitching
Up her skirt

And while she's
Straightening her stockings
Her hair
Is getting wet

Oh, this rain
It will continue
Through the morning
As I'm listening

To the bells
Of the cathedral
I am thinking
Of your voice...

And of the midnight picnic
Once upon a time
Before the rain began...

I finish up my coffee
It's time to catch the train


The point here is that the above poem works as a song because it scans in a rhythmical fashion. If you know the song - here is my dedication to Queenzone.



There's no difference
between writing
either poetry
or lyrics

It's just words
which are structured
to give artistic
thought some meaning

As I type here
on my keyboard
thinking is this
just pretentious?

Or have I
made my point
that words can
mean what I command?



"Listen to them. Children of the night. What music they make."
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Posted: 25 Mar 06, 01:40 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

<font color=green>Linda Of The Valley wrote:

Are you inspired by Bruce Springsteen? :P

nice though, well done!


Thanks for the compliment!


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Posted: 25 Mar 06, 01:40 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

<font color=lime>KillerQueen840 wrote:

I don't know what's easier. They seem pretty similar.
I've made a few poems, but most of them suck (and are personal). I'll share part of one though that is not personal. Anyhow, here's a fragment from my half-assed rough draft of a two page poem I've never finished:
__________________________________________


A normal person on the street
Someone who you should never meet
A demon inside waiting to be unleashed
A new danger grows as the sun will decease
The full moon will soon be rising
A beast is soon to be on the horizon

It is the curse...

When you see that you can't see any more
That's when it hunts so lock your door
Around the corner
Around the block
Time's running out
So make your move
It might be your last
You, your life, only of the past
The bitch is back
That's what they say
Hello night!
I'm here to stay.

The beast shows no mercy
It is full of pride
To fill the insatiable thirst for blood
The undying hunger for flesh
There will be no evidence left behind to hide

The sadistic pleasure for pain
The fun of the chase
Unworthy fools trapped
Incredulous and out of place

It toys (with your mind)
It destroys (your will)
It toys (with your strength)
It destroys (your body)

The fate you knew
Once you two met
The terror carried through
Released from the sunset

...to which all hell broke loose once again

With fragments of a memory from SomeThing else
The nightmares come
One can only want to kill herself
Aware the time will come once again
A new inncocent will feel Its wrath
A new innocent who crosses Its path


Whatever poor soul crosses into Its path.


GREAT POEM! YOU NEED TO FINISH...THAT WAS GOOD!


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Posted: 25 Mar 06, 02:10 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

<font color=green>Linda Of The Valley wrote:

Are you inspired by Bruce Springsteen? :P

nice though, well done!


I've heard of Bruce Springsteen...dont have any of his CD's but I love "Born in the USA!!!" Thats the song!!!


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Posted: 25 Mar 06, 19:45 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

<font color=green>Linda Of The Valley wrote:

<B><font color=pink>Onelonelypussycat wrote:

<font color=green>Linda Of The Valley wrote:

Are you inspired by Bruce Springsteen? :P

nice though, well done!


I've heard of Bruce Springsteen...dont have any of his CD's but I love "Born in the USA!!!" Thats the song!!!


One of his songs is called Glory Days. The lyrics to the chorus are

Glory days, well they'll pass you by
Glory days, in the wink of a young girl's eye
Glory days, glory days...

:P





OMG!!! I never knew someone had a song out that is like that, I seriously never knew Bruce S had a song out that sounds like my poem, I'm gonna have to change it up a little bit, lol!!!


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Posted: 25 Mar 06, 21:08 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

<B><font color=pink>Onelonelypussycat wrote:

<font color=green>Linda Of The Valley wrote:

<B><font color=pink>Onelonelypussycat wrote:

<font color=green>Linda Of The Valley wrote:

Are you inspired by Bruce Springsteen? :P

nice though, well done!


I've heard of Bruce Springsteen...dont have any of his CD's but I love "Born in the USA!!!" Thats the song!!!


One of his songs is called Glory Days. The lyrics to the chorus are

Glory days, well they'll pass you by
Glory days, in the wink of a young girl's eye
Glory days, glory days...

:P





OMG!!! I never knew someone had a song out that is like that, I seriously never knew Bruce S had a song out that sounds like my poem, I'm gonna have to change it up a little bit, lol!!! I dont want to get sued for copywriting, lol



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Posted: 25 Mar 06, 23:07 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I don't write many poems, but the ones I have written have turned into little songs..Like this one:

untitled
Pour upon yourself
The milk of refinement
Wrap yourself
In the blanket of holiness

That which could heal you
That which could free you

Now don't be afraid now
Now don't run away now
Stay right in your place now
There's nothin' to fear now

For who could hurt you now?
For who could kill you now?
'Cos who could tell you how?

To live...


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Posted: 25 Mar 06, 23:13 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

oh mother mercury, look what theyve done to me


One should ANALize the Poetry on page 43, when Oedipus is rollin' in his benzo and he has to bust a cap on some flagrants in the under city



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Posted: 25 Mar 06, 23:39 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

LadyMercury wrote:

I don't write many poems, but the ones I have written have turned into little songs..Like this one:

untitled
Pour upon yourself
The milk of refinement
Wrap yourself
In the blanket of holiness

That which could heal you
That which could free you

Now don't be afraid now
Now don't run away now
Stay right in your place now
There's nothin' to fear now

For who could hurt you now?
For who could kill you now?
'Cos who could tell you how?

To live...


Great poem, do your thing babygirl!


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Posted: 26 Mar 06, 15:55 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

My poem isn't a rhyming one. I dislike rhyming, too childish. I think mine might seem like so...refinement..holiness..nah.


I'm so pissed I could spit.