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Posted: 11 Apr 06, 15:14 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Hi guys

Just a quick question

What is the best way (from a few angles - depending on money) to record concerts for our lovely bootlegs we share on here

I am just about to fly out to Canada/States for a few months and I'm gonna watch Queen in Canada on the last night

and also watch a couple of the Extreme Re-union shows in July/August - yes they are doing a mini re-union tour in the States

And I thought I may buy some equipment to record the shows and obviously share the QUEEN one here

Any help would be great

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Posted: 11 Apr 06, 16:23 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

MIniDisc recorders seem to still be favourite, I have an iRiver mp3 player (which records through an external mic in WAV format), but you could also consider a DV camera.

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Posted: 11 Apr 06, 16:32 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

There have been some topics about this issue in the past. This might help you:
http://www.queenzone.com/queenzone/forumnew/forum_topic_view.aspx?Q=637620

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Posted: 11 Apr 06, 16:50 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I've been using the next generation of minidisc called Hi-MD. It's been around for a couple of years and is very, very good! Its uncompressed recordings coupled with a good mic are excellent. I recently put together a dvd with my show recordings. It's simply great quality sound!

Since they're about to release a 3rd generation model, the older models should get cheaper. The Sony NH1 and NH900 are the best 1st generation models. And the quality of the recordings, the uploading and the 1GB discs are all great. I've seen the NH900 models go for £40-100 on ebay. I have 2 of them.

However, if you're willing to put up the money, then maybe the latest generation model that's about to appear is the one for you. It'll have usb2.0 uploading speed, so that's much faster than the 1st generation's usb1.1 speeds. Plus for those older minidisc users, the chance to upload original minidisc recordings for the first time ever..!

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Posted: 11 Apr 06, 16:58 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

cheers everyone

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Posted: 11 Apr 06, 18:52 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

for microphones and bootlegging in general i can recommend http://www.core-sound.com
if these mics are too expensive you can use a clip-on mic instead eg from sony but you should use
a little low/bass-cut filter too.
a hi-md recorder is a cheap and great alternative to
a dat-recorderand very small, so that it is easy to smuggle.



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Posted: 11 Apr 06, 19:03 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

knebworth wrote:

for microphones and bootlegging in general i can recommend http://www.core-sound.com
if these mics are too expensive you can use a clip-on mic instead eg from sony but you should use
a little low/bass-cut filter too.


I don't use my pro mics - instead, I'd advise getting tie-clip mics. And I've said this before on here, they cost me £10 each and they sound excellent. Go to £20 per mic and they get better. I got them from maplin.co.uk.

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Posted: 11 Apr 06, 19:21 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Nuno: I will be at the Vancouver show, so if you could try and record that concert, and either share it here or sell a CD-R copy to me, I'd VERY much appreciate that, please and thanks in advance.

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Posted: 19 Apr 06, 17:28 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

As knebworth wrote, it's very important to use a good, better: very good microphone. The most expensive digital recording equipment doesn't mean a thing when using a weak microphone. I have a Beyerdynamic MCE 82 which is one of the best stereo mics available, but its size might cause you some trouble taking it inside the venue. Alternatively, there are some mics made by Soundman: they look like small earphones (and you have to put them inside of your ears), but they record instead of reproducing music. The sound recorded by these little items is just amazing!

And always remember: use an external power supply for the mic(s). You will never get a proper result with a mic which is fed by the recorder's input, like a clip-on mic. Final suggestion: turn the automatic gain control OFF! Record with a manual gain set almost to minimum, you can expand its volume later on your PC!

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Posted: 24 Apr 06, 20:35 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Nuno

did you end up recording the vancouver show?

Its the only show i have ever had the chance to see, i would be very interested in getting a ecording of it.


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Posted: 26 Mar 08, 07:04 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Well, in a few months the tour starts.
I guess there are some people who will tape some concerts.

Im going to a few concerts myself, so i need to buy some equipment.
I understand cardiod would be the best choice for taping these kind of concerts.
I`ve checked both soundprofessional and core-sound. It seems core-sound have quite a nice price for the cardiod mic ( incl. battery box) for a total of US$ 250. They also have cheaper shipping.

How about the recorder. Is high-md still recommended or is digital recorders as Edirol-r09 a better choice?

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Posted: 26 Mar 08, 09:50 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

You should check this thread:
http://www.queenzone.com/queenzone/forumnew/forum_topic_view.aspx?Q=1072535


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Posted: 26 Mar 08, 10:41 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I believe they've "outlawed" MD at TTD as of January of this year, as there are now apparently better ways to create a high quality recording. Check out the forums at TTD and I'm sure you'll find plenty of info.



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Posted: 26 Mar 08, 11:46 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

TheGame wrote:

Well, in a few months the tour starts.
I guess there are some people who will tape some concerts.

Im going to a few concerts myself, so i need to buy some equipment.
I understand cardiod would be the best choice for taping these kind of concerts.
I`ve checked both soundprofessional and core-sound. It seems core-sound have quite a nice price for the cardiod mic ( incl. battery box) for a total of US$ 250. They also have cheaper shipping.

How about the recorder. Is high-md still recommended or is digital recorders as Edirol-r09 a better choice?


The Sound Pro mics are far better (they use Audio Technica capsules) than all Core Sound mics, except for the CS High End Binaurals which are modified DPA 4060. Plus the CS customer service sucks.

I still have my set of SP CMC-2 (these have Audio Technica AT831 card caps). I don't use them anymore since I upgraded my mics. I sell them to you if you are interested. They have the clip option, but you'll need a battery box to run them properly. They've never been crotched or abused.



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Posted: 27 Mar 08, 07:49 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

For info on gear to record shows in audio i recommend: http://www.soundprofessionals.com/cgi-bin/gold/category.cgi?category=0
great site with a lot of good quality gear specially made for tapers.

Great international tapers forum with a lot of info on: http://www.taperssection.com/

Info on how to "rockbox" your iRiver so that it records in lossless WAV. format. http://www.rockbox.org/dl.cgi?bin=h120








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Posted: 27 Mar 08, 09:03 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Soundpro have some nice mics.Does your pair tilogmagnet have the low sensitivity option added?
Im currently concidering the church cardiod mics and a battery box ( pre amp aint necessary with loud music).

Edirol-R09 or Marantz 620 seems like good options for a stealthy recorder...

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Posted: 27 Mar 08, 10:40 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I have a mp3 player which can record in WAV with a 'Line In'.
For example, I can plug a jack into the line in and the other jack of the same cable into the 'headphone in' of another mp3 player and then record what it plays.
I'm wondering if I can plug a mic into the 'Line In' and then star to tape...
As soon as I can I'll try to find a cheap mic to test if my idea works, if it does, then I'll buy a decent one...
Any thoughts?

Another question: when I record with my mp3 player, I can choose three ways of encoding, called IMADPCM, MSADPCM and PCM.
What should I use?


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Posted: 27 Mar 08, 14:45 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I have one of these:

http://www.mpmaneurope.com/uploads/MPFUB34&FUB35_157.jpg

I'll test it for recording a concert this summer at a Metallica concert in Sofia and if it works out okay I'll be using it to record the show in Vienna.

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Posted: 27 Mar 08, 16:31 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

TheGame wrote:

Soundpro have some nice mics.Does your pair tilogmagnet have the low sensitivity option added?
Im currently concidering the church cardiod mics and a battery box ( pre amp aint necessary with loud music).


Chris Church's mics are great. I don't own a pair, but I like the shows that were taped with them. Go for them, if you can afford it, but remember that you'll have to pay a shitload of custom fees depending on the item value that is written on the customs declaration.

My SP mics terminate in a 1/8" miniplug. They should be used with a battery box. I think for the low sensivity option they come with XLR plugs and need 48V phantom power instead of the battery box.

The phantom powered ones can take higher sound pressure levels, but unless you're taping metal bands or anything else that's ungodly loud you should be fine with battery powered ones.


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Posted: 27 Mar 08, 16:31 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

bigV wrote:

I have one of these:

http://www.mpmaneurope.com/uploads/MPFUB34&FUB35_157.jpg

I'll test it for recording a concert this summer at a Metallica concert in Sofia and if it works out okay I'll be using it to record the show in Vienna.

V.


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