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Posted: 02 May 06, 16:05 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

The other day I was looking at some of the reviews on the internet of Queen albums and when comparing the 70's and 80's stuff,it seems the 70's albums are a hell of a lot better.
Now that may seem usual for any fans of Queen but then I suddenly realised that in the rise of the 1980's,music artists where relying on synths to assist their music and Queen were no different.
When that thought crossed my mind it seemed 70's Queen was always better than the 80's would be basically because Queen abused their synths.
Think about it? if Radio Ga Ga was more of a rock track (like it did at live aid) than it already does wouldnt that have made it a better and more successful song?
I definetly think so.

70'S Queen:Great Rock albums and some classic Rock tracks.

80's Queen:Not as great as they were in the 70's.
Too much emphesis on pop music,not enough on rock.

Q.Why Queens 80's songs wernt as good as the 70's Queen?
A.They abused SYNTHS

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Posted: 02 May 06, 20:06 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

<font color=purple>Bijou in Queens Crown wrote:

They can't just keep doing the same music every decade. They said they wanted to to different kinds of songs. And what's all this demise rubbish. Good God.



True...

Freddie said in an interview that I saw from 1982, that music HAD to move on...I remember him saying that for a reason....so sadly, we have to deal with all of the crappy music thats out nowadays :(


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Posted: 02 May 06, 20:29 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

<font color=purple>Bijou in Queens Crown wrote:

They can't just keep doing the same music every decade. They said they wanted to to different kinds of songs. And what's all this demise rubbish. Good God.



And they were wrong for that. It hurt the music. Ruined some friggin' good songs I reckon. Take "You don't fool me". Think of the 90's treatment it got on Made in Heaven. Got it in your head? Good. Now think of how it would've sounded on Hot Space....

My point exactly. (Before anyone say it I know it's debatable about the song on Made in Heaven. Oh yeah and if you need help picturing the song, think "back chat" no, maybe it would've been a tad faster.)

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Posted: 02 May 06, 22:09 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Synths are the best. Thats how they got the reversed cymbal on Play The Game


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Posted: 02 May 06, 22:24 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Typical thread for Queenzone, I must say. It looks like this board is not for Queen fans, but for fans of Queen in the 70's and for fans of Queen in the 80's. Strange habit of this board. Like when you love Lazing on a Sunday Afternoon, it is impossible to enjoy Breakthru. I love almost everything Queen did. Except for a few of Roger's songs, and the Flash Gordon record. Ok, Queen did a few bad songs, not so many (Cool Cat, Party, Dragon Attack, All Gods People...), but I like Races as much as Works, and Magic as much as Queen II. It's the change from a kind of glam/camp/gay-ish image to the masculine rockers, I guess, that is difficult for some to accept. In the pop charts of the 80's I think Queen still sounded pretty heavy.
Sometimes I don't understand a few people here. Would a Depeche Mode fan moan about the differences between A Broken Frame and Ultra? It sounds like what goes on on Metallica boards. The band was great until 1991, and for 15 years now they release sheer bullshit. But you know, if you can learn one thing from Freddie, it is to be open to different kinds of music. So I do love Bring Back That Leroy Brown and Keep Passing The Open Windows.
And remember what John Deacon said in 1989: "Demise? There is no demise of Queen!"

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Posted: 02 May 06, 23:44 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I think the reversed cymbal on Play The Game is just a reversed cymbal. No synths.

Pigeonholing is common for most people. If Queen had ended in 1979 there surely would be two fan groups: some fond of the multi-layered band (until Races) and some others preferring the versatile but more minimalistic News and Jazz. Had they ended in 1975 and there'd be two groups: some defending that Queen and Queen II were ace and Sheer Heart + Opera were a sell-out, and some saying that Queen and Queen II were monotone and Sheer + Opera were versatile. And so on...


John hated HS. Fred's fave singer was not PR. Roger didn't compose 'Innuendo.' Witness testimonies are often inaccurate. Scotland's not in England. 'Bo Rhap' hasn't got 180 voices.
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Posted: 03 May 06, 00:56 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

jan78 hit the nail on the head for me. I don't understand why people can't like Queen2 and also like a kind of magic. people are missing out on a lot of good music!....yes, I love march of the black queen and also love 'one year of love'.

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Posted: 03 May 06, 02:46 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Wouldn't the band itself be the first one to laugh about all this? Freddie said: "I don't regret any of the things I did. I mean what did YOU look like, ten years ago?" And that's the point. The point of Friends Will Be Friends b/w Seven Seas Of Rhye. Or The Show Must Go On b/w Keep Yourself Alive. The point of people hating the Wembley concert for being just a greatest hits concert, because they want to hear Nevermore or Flick Of The Wrist only. Because they yawn about Scandal but almost faint about The Fairy Feller's Master Stroke. How dare they play Radio GaGa and not My Fairy King! Oh well...didn't Brian even say something like his favourite game is not giving the public what it demands?

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Posted: 03 May 06, 03:13 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

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<font color=purple>Bijou in Queens Crown wrote:

They can't just keep doing the same music every decade. They said they wanted to to different kinds of songs. And what's all this demise rubbish. Good God.



True...

Freddie said in an interview that I saw from 1982, that music HAD to move on...I remember him saying that for a reason....so sadly, we have to deal with all of the crappy music thats out nowadays :(


Since you just barely became a Queen fan, show me the interview.


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Posted: 03 May 06, 04:36 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Be that as it may, there are still some bloody good Queen 80's songs: Innuendo, I Want It All and One Vision to name a few.


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Posted: 03 May 06, 04:45 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

i love queen for all their music, bringing an album like queen 2 in 1982 would have been impossible or a night a the opera in 1989? lol

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Posted: 03 May 06, 05:32 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

yes it was a different era. Bohemian Rhapsody is an all time great song but i am not sure it would have had the same effect had it been brought out in 1985 not 1975. the 80s were pet shop boys, frankie goes to hollywood, duran duran, culture club. music had changed. if Queen had released killer queen at that time it would have bombed. not just Queen but also Bowie and Elton John, The Stones. they all lasted from the 70s through the 80s and their 80s work is often thought less of than their 70s stuff but in my opinion it was just a different time and music had changed. Queen's music had to change too. How many bands from the 70s saw their careers bomb in the 80s. there were many and thats because they didnt move with the times.

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Posted: 03 May 06, 10:22 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Actually I have it on very good authority that Adidas shoes were responsible for Queen's demise in 80s. That's what the toaster told me anyway.

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Posted: 03 May 06, 10:25 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

John: DEMISE?? There is no DEMISE of Queen.
Roger: Don't like that word, demise.

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Posted: 03 May 06, 10:32 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I like both eras. Just style wise they did fabulous in the 70s. They did turn kind of popy down in to the 80s but that's because Queen like to change and not sound the same. They say themselfs, "We get bored before everyone else does, we like change." - Roger Taylor.

I didn't mind there change. Hot Space isn't a bad album at all, it isn't one of my favourites though. It's A Kind Of Magic album was really popy but that was because it was all done for the movie Highlander and really they had to make music that fitted in well with the kind of movie they were making it for. Again It's A Kind Of Magic isn't really a favourite of mines but I don't hate it. I like all they're albums.
I LOVE A Night At The Opera and Sheer Heart Attack though.

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Posted: 03 May 06, 10:55 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Well, I've always thought that Queen were one of those bands that used synths very appropriately in their songs. There are only a few songs that I can think of that sound corny or dated because of synths usage. But definitely no demise to speak of!

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Posted: 03 May 06, 11:33 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

As someone who loves 70s Queen, and thinks it was their best period by a country mile, they had to change during the 80s, and that included adding synths to their sound. They'd already done multi-tracking and guitar harmonies to death, and they needed something fresh to excite them. I think that a bigger problem than synths is that they grew weary of each other as people for a while, and there wasn't the same 'all for one' as there was early on. As for the synths being their demise, they were a necessary evil, but Queen's most identifiable features were Brian's guitar, Freddie's voice and the vocal harmonies. When they went to synth heavy music, the synths sounded like any other bands as they were using the same instrument. Nobody's guitar playing sounded like Brian, and for me, they lost a bit of their uniqueness when synths entered the picture and guitar took a backseat.


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Posted: 03 May 06, 11:56 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

What song with synths sounds like Radio Ga Ga? I disagree that they sounded like every other band because of their synth usage.

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Posted: 03 May 06, 13:18 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

What are synthesisers?


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Posted: 03 May 06, 13:18 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Okay, I've had enough. It's obvious that synthesizers have played a role in the evolution of Queen, but they did NOT cause the demise of Queen!

Queen did not die; they just faded here in the United States. Everywhere else around the world still liked them. Their albums went Top 20, Top 10, and even hit the #1 spot a few times. AKOM, Innuendo, The Miracle, The Works, they all did fine in the UK and other parts of the world, but in the US, they failed miserably.

Why, you ask. Why did this happen?
I'll tell you why. Music changes way too fast in this country. One minute we're dancing to the Macarena, the next we're singing (horribly) to the latest song by Ashlee Simpson. We are way too picky with our music, and only like the music that makes the big bucks.

Queen's so-called 'demise' was caused by change in musical taste. Take Michael Jackson for example (for lack of a better example). When he first hit it big in 1979 with Off The Wall, his music had the soft R&B/disco sound. By the time Bad came out in 1987, he had changed to an edgier sound with more attitude. That continued into the 90's, with pseudo-dance and rock tracks such as Black Or White and Dangerous. Obviously, he couldn't stick to R&B and disco tracks for the rest of his career. He had to change.

Much like how Queen couldn't stick with tracks such as WWRY and Bohemian Rhapsody throughout their career. Changes needed to be made, unfortunately. But even if those changes were bad, Queen still thrived and survived in the music businees, all the way to (and even beyond) Freddie's untimely death.

So, before you say "Queen died out in the 80's" or "synths caused the demise of Queen", think about it this way:

- Queen's music is STILL popular after all these years.
- We're STILL listening to and singing along with their best tracks from all decades (including the 80's).
- Queen is STILL the greatest band in the land.


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