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Posted: 31 May 06, 13:08 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I've been listening a lot to the Leiden ,Budapest and Stockholm shows recently and I must say that some of freddie's vocals are fantastic. He sounds very powerfull and with a lot of guts too. The wembley gigs were prabably Freddie's worst from the Magic Tour. It was only released because it's a famous gig not because it's one of Queen's best(though it still is good)I think that from an artisctic point of view Queen should better release their very best stuff. They would get much more critical acclaim!


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Posted: 31 May 06, 13:22 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Who are these people who say he was shite on the Magic tour? What other tours are they specifically comparing it with? Have you challenged them about it?

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Posted: 31 May 06, 13:28 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

i would say that the wembley and knebworth gigs from 86 were showing signs of being on the road a long time...vocals were not the best

howver, the crazy tour, HS tour and works were (imo) much clearer and better range


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Posted: 31 May 06, 13:56 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Hah, I'm out of my brain I guess but I like Knebworth.

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Posted: 31 May 06, 15:42 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

granted i havent heard anything but the wembley concert of the magic tour but i love it. i thought he had the power as he did in live aid. he owned that crowd. especially when he played with them after the song a kind of magic. when he sings his impromtu also. i had tears in my eyes when sings that one. i love my cd and dvd of that concert. i will always remember freddie that way strong and dynamic on stag and a shy sweetie off stage.


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Posted: 31 May 06, 16:19 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I agree with that statement. If you take One Vision from Budapest for example, vocally, it's a top notch performance which really ranks besides the early years, the power is there and he reaches the note on "dreams of sweet illusions".

At Wembley, his voice does sound weak, on the first night especially where he is heard struggling with AKOM but on the whole, his Magic tour voice was far better than The Works and at least on a par with Hot Space. Listen to Champions at Budapest, he really goes for the high notes and in parts, sounds just like he did in '77.


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Posted: 31 May 06, 22:20 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I loved wembley freddie was so powerfull i loved that concert, also live aid freddie was in true form.

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Posted: 31 May 06, 22:28 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

freddies vocals were always fantastic to me, from the beginning to *sob* the end :(


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Posted: 01 Jun 06, 03:31 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

There are a lot of people who seem to agree. I often read the statement(also on this site)that Freddie wasn't great after The Works tour but I don't agree since I think that he gave some fantastic shows during the magic tour. He sang with lots of guts in a way. People tend to forget there were very weak periods in the seventies too. When you hear him sing in Japan in '79 , you can't believe he's one of the best! The end of the Hot Space tour wasn't very good too. And in my opinion he was at his best for the first time in '77 during the Races tour. Listen to the Glasgow and Bristol shows: fantastic stuff.


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Posted: 01 Jun 06, 04:15 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Surely during the Wembley concert Freddie had some problems of vocal extention: you can hear it clearly e.g., in "Break Free", "Another one bites the Dust", "Radio Ga Ga".

This doesn't mean that his performance wasn't good... he did wonderful things in the mid and low tones (just think of "The world we created", or "Under Pressure", or "Kind of Magic", or the whole acoustic Medley".

Freddie's voice during the magic tour was perhaps paying the debt to a long period of touring/recording, but in my opinion it was very powerful and "coluored" (even though I still think that his best live recording, up to today, is the Live at the Bowl)..

Sometimes I just think that he (and Queen) exaggerated a little bit in writing songs with such high keys/notes to reach: Freddie's voice was so beautiful in the Low-Mids (He was a baritono voice, think of Ensueno, or the beginning of The Golden Boy, or I'm going Slightly Mad's refrain)... it would have been very interesting if he had worked more on that quality, instead of getting always (and not always good, often good thanks also to Roger's choirs) that incredibly high...



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Posted: 01 Jun 06, 08:32 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

<font color=&#FF00CC">Lil*Queenie wrote:

Asterik wrote:


At Wembley, his voice does sound weak, on the first night especially where he is heard struggling with AKOM but on the whole, his Magic tour voice was far better than The Works and at least on a par with Hot Space..


Yea, i was just about to say he stuggled with AKOM on the first night.
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Mmmn... he sounded rather breathless at times and his voice kept cracking near the chorus, so he decided to hold barely any of the notes and just punch the words out. But in terms of bad singing nothing beats teo Torriate from Japan in '82. The verses were lovely but the chorus was awful, Freddie's voice dis-integrated and Roger had no real idea of what he was singing and no one could hear Brian anyway.



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Posted: 01 Jun 06, 08:49 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Asterik wrote:

<font color=&#FF00CC">Lil*Queenie wrote:

Asterik wrote:


At Wembley, his voice does sound weak, on the first night especially where he is heard struggling with AKOM but on the whole, his Magic tour voice was far better than The Works and at least on a par with Hot Space..


Yea, i was just about to say he stuggled with AKOM on the first night.
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Mmmn... he sounded rather breathless at times and his voice kept cracking near the chorus, so he decided to hold barely any of the notes and just punch the words out. But in terms of bad singing nothing beats teo Torriate from Japan in '82. The verses were lovely but the chorus was awful, Freddie's voice dis-integrated and Roger had no real idea of what he was singing and no one could hear Brian anyway.


yeah i noticed that...


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Posted: 01 Jun 06, 10:26 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

That's why I like watching the early day videos the best, they aren't as good quality, but Freddies voice is absolutley amazing with very few noticable mistakes.


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Posted: 01 Jun 06, 10:36 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

It's the same with Hot Space tour. From watching footage of Freddie singing at, lets say, Vienna. He sounded in much better condition.
Milton Keynes he sounded fab aswell... but later in the year after months of touring he sounded worse. For example around November in Japan and, as someone said, when singing Teo Torriate, his voice during the chorus really seemed tired out.


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Posted: 01 Jun 06, 12:11 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I would say it's too overblown to say Freddie sounded shite at Wembley, but certainly, it wasn't his best sounding performance ever. Becoming a fun in june 1986 (celebrating 20th anniversary at june 7 :-) :-P) I unfortunately never had the chance to see Queen live :-( I also don't own any bootlegs, so i must base my opinion on the legal stuff. From the material I know, Milton Keynes absolutely sounds BRILL! The beginning of Somebody to love still sends shivers down my spine every time I play it! (" Are you ready? Huh, are you ready brothers and sisters?!? ")

Freddie was in absofuckinglutely topshape that day in june 1982. But I really must say it surprises me a lot that nobody here seems to know that at the time of the Wembley show of magic tour, Freddie suffered from serious throathproblems, and doctors advised him to cancel the shows. Freddie refused and insisted the shows to go on. So happened.

And a bad Freddie still sounds better than a good singer from a nowadays rockband I suppose :-D

Being a vocalist myself, Freddie is my God really. He's the reason I started singing and playing music in the first place, and I *tried* to imitate his voice.... MUST I say I did *not* succeed? Thank you. I have a high pitched voice, but doing a Freddie? uh-uh. No way dear, don't even try. Even Paul could not do a Freddie, and we all did see at the Mercury Tribute that even established vocalist couldn't do his vocal-lines.

All in all, I agree the Wembley shows were of lower voice quality yes, but still good.

But I like to discuss something else, and also on Freddie during the Magic-Tour. It seemed to me, that not his singing, but his MOVEMENTS were of " a lower quality " than earlier tours. He seemed more stiff to me in 1986. Sure the montage of the Wembley video helped to hide that, but still...I think that Fred's moving on stage was about ten years older than a year before during - let's say - Live Aid.

Any other person has a comment on that?

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Posted: 02 Jun 06, 17:14 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

the magic tour is their best in the 80’s.
LIVEAID is the top of the 80’s.
they were at their best in that performance.
second knebworth park
3rth mannheim
4th leiden

HOT SPACE tour is good too.
the works is a little less.
the game was better than the works tour.




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Posted: 02 Jun 06, 17:35 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

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But I like to discuss something else, and also on Freddie during the Magic-Tour. It seemed to me, that not his singing, but his MOVEMENTS were of " a lower quality " than earlier tours. He seemed more stiff to me in 1986. Sure the montage of the Wembley video helped to hide that, but still...I think that Fred's moving on stage was about ten years older than a year before during - let's say - Live Aid.

Any other person has a comment on that?
Cheers you all :-)

Yes, a super point. Firstly, when we discuss Fred's movements on the Magic tour, we have to consider that the stage was significantly bigger than before so there was a lot more space to cover, giving the impression he didn't move as much. At Live Aid we had a 15 minute performance on s amllish stage so Fred could really put everything into that one moment. At Wembley there is the ened to conserve energy to get round the stage at critical points in the show such as Now I'm here where he does a massive run and Hammer To Fall.

Regarding actions such as air punches etc, Fred was a lot more powerful in'86. On every percussion thrust there would be a staccato head movement, arm punch etc. which looked stifer but more commanding than say in'82. One thing I did notice was that Fred wasn't on the floor playing air guitar as much and seemed tentative about thrusting at the bars at the wing sof the stage, like he did on FBG at Milton Keynes Bowl. He was 40 by now and I do sense the beginning of AIDS in the tentativeness there, but there is much more of a physical "presence" than ever before. You only need to see him on TYMD to know that power he had.





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Posted: 02 Jun 06, 18:28 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I think the only tour that can be considered as "less good" then the others would be The Works tour (1984). Freddie's voice wasn't that powerful (except for a few gigs). The last part of The Works tour in 1985 was already a lot better, just listen to Final Live In Japan, Freddie's voice was much better!

As far as I know, the Magic tour was really good.

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Posted: 03 Jun 06, 08:26 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Live at Wembley 86 was the first time I had actually SEEN Queen perform, before that the only thing I owned was the Greatest Hits Platinum Collection and from that point of view, I was absolutely blown over by the power and range of Freddie and his energy on stage. I was fourteen and it says a lot about music today in that I was honestly completely unaware that it was even POSSIBLE to sing like that or give a physical performance like that. I had never seen or heard anything that came close and so to me, the first time I watched wembley, it sounded almost note-perfect in comparison to other music acts.
But once I began finding other performances and realising the change in Freddie's voice over the years, only then did I go back and find fault with his performance.
I think a lot of very knowledgeable Queen fans who know so much about the different performances forget that to a casual fan or a new fan, a performance like Freddie's at Wembley is perfect - only serious fans realise he can, in fact, do better vocally.

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Posted: 05 Jun 06, 12:42 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

His voice in Live at Budapest was fantastic!!!!...Freddie's worst day vocally couldn't be touched by some of the vocalists we have now and that would be on their very best day!!!!...Peace!!!