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Posted: 14 Jun 06, 10:26 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Alright I'm sorry if this has been discussed before but I really need to get this off my chest.

Yesterday I uploaded the torrent Queen Osaka 1985 on Dimeadozen. Many we're very excited about this and immediatly started downloading it. After I got home from work today I noticed that my torrent had been deleted! The answer: this is availible in Queen's Online Download shop...

Is it just me or is the sharing of bootlegs becoming a copyright problem or something? Queen Productions just post some bootlegs on their site (to which they don't even hold the damn rights) and start classifying them as Official releases! Ok so the trading world isn't in immediate danger but how long will it take before QueenZone will recieve emails about "offering officially released material for download"? Does this mean we can't post anything here anymore? I mean I don't want to put our Admin Richard in a dangerous position by posting official Queen material but am I being a copyright infridgement bastard now that doesn't respect Queen just because I've shared some bootlegs, recorded by someone else and trying to keep the spirit of Queen alive among other fans?

Sorry for such a rant but this is pretty sickening.

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Posted: 14 Jun 06, 10:57 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

See! Sharing is evil!
Trading is the true spirit! That's what REAL fans do! ;-)))

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Posted: 14 Jun 06, 11:08 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Apparantly, good thing my FLAC collection is growing then.

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Posted: 14 Jun 06, 11:09 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

It's probably more a case of dimeadozen covering their ass. They dont want to take any chances.

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Posted: 14 Jun 06, 11:12 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Maybe but as I understood from a email I got from the Dime mods they already had problems with company's (which includes Queen Productions as well or so it seems) about these kind of situations.

So how long will it take before QueenZone will be their next target then? I'd hate to see this community taken down because of just that.

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Posted: 14 Jun 06, 11:28 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Just making a slightly different point here...
Any copyright belongs with the band regardless of who recorded it, it was some one else's material so in reality they are perfectly within their rights to try to stop unofficial releases getting out.

The Internet has made this pretty difficult and so you could argue that they have sanctioned a few select recordings to 'give' to the fans, hence the bootleg section.

If you were a band/business trying to only put out the material you felt was your best, you'd get pretty pissed if someone else tried to put out stuff you felt you didn't want out there, it's a bit like working for months on your master recording only to have someone come into your home studio and copy the outtakes and then release them.

Now I'm not saying sharing is wrong, just putting the other side of the story, I love hearing recordings I haven't heard before (however I don't have a collection or download files) but from a bands point of view I would be rather pissed if someone recorded us and put it out when we have official well recorded material that we are proud of already on CD.


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Posted: 14 Jun 06, 13:25 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Togg wrote:


Any copyright belongs with the band regardless of who recorded it,

There is NO copyright on ANY audience-recorded bootleg unless someone put it on it!
Not with the one that recorded it, but not with the band or whatever official institute either.
QP now have copyrighted some bootlegs - the ones that are on the website.

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Posted: 14 Jun 06, 13:57 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

all concert tickets say "no recording, filming or photography allowed"

this makes these acts illegal by nature

therefore the only people who can instigate property control are the artists themsleves...queen have now done so...so respect it



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Posted: 14 Jun 06, 14:34 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I would be very surprised if QP had taken action against DimeADozen - they do not even care about queencollector.com. Bootlegs are per se not legal as Brenski pointed out but QZ sharing is about helping to stop bootleg sales. There is no conflict of interests here. The shared QZ bootlegs have always been other versions than the QOL downloadable concerts. We are fans who collect the music and no thieves, I think QP know that.


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Posted: 14 Jun 06, 18:46 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

jeroen wrote:

Togg wrote:


Any copyright belongs with the band regardless of who recorded it,

There is NO copyright on ANY audience-recorded bootleg unless someone put it on it!
Not with the one that recorded it, but not with the band or whatever official institute either.
QP now have copyrighted some bootlegs - the ones that are on the website.


That is not 100% true Jeroen...
Everyone who produces something has the exclusive rights on that product. It's the right on Intellectuel Property. It doesn't matter if they are releasing it or not. Because at the moment THEY record it (Trip at the soundbord/mixing desk!) then the performing artist has the copyright of that product (= the music) Recording it yourself in the audience doesn't change that.

And they also have the exclusive right to use the band name, and the exclusive right to release their products.





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Posted: 15 Jun 06, 03:51 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Thank you


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