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Posted: 18 Jul 06, 07:33 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

is this version of liar available elsewhere.. it's an acetate sold by eil.com time ago.

http://eil.com/shop/moreinfo.asp?catalogid=213361


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Posted: 18 Jul 06, 07:43 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

eil.com claim: QUEEN Liar (Rare original 1973 UK 1-sided Emidisc 7" acetate for the debut single. Contains a 3:36 sec edit version which DIFFERS completely to all known release versions.

Here are the known versions of Liar:

Liar

Album Version (6:25) - Queen: EMI CDP 7 462 04 2
US 7" (3:01) Edit - US Elektra EK 45884
De Lane Lea Original Demo (7:46) - In The Beginning: Miko QCD 01
UK 7” EMIDisc Acetate (Exclusive BBC Edit)- EMI Disc:
BBC 05.02.1973 (6:32) - Queen At The Beeb: BOJCD 001
BBC 25.07.1973 (6:24) - Freddie's Boys At The Beeb: Bulsara Records
1991 Luango & Hellman (6:25) Remix - Queen: US 1991 Hollywood HR-61064-2
1998 eYe Intro (1:24) Edit No 1 - Electronic Arts DDE05501 101S
1998 eYe Intro (1:24) Edit No 2 - Electronic Arts DDE05501 101S
Intro Edit: (13”) - Total Guitar CD Magazine
Starlicks Video Edit - Starlicks Video
Rough Demo - Unreleased:
Lover: Ibex/Wreckage Original version - Does Not Exist
Liar (Rehearsal, London, 1973) - Rare Live: A Concert Through Time And Space
Promotional Video (Original 4x3 TV Ratio)-Greatest Flix I & II: Pioneer PLMPD 01171
Promotional Video (Widescreen) - Greatest Video Hits: Parlophone 7243 4 92944 9 3

The upside seems to be that as no 3:36 edit seems to exist, eil's claims are indeed correct, and that this edit actually 'DIFFERS completely to all known release versions'.

The downside is that it is an edited version only and not a remix, different take or version. Therefore, anyone with the official full version, also by default, owns this edit if they are 'willing to roll their own'.



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Posted: 18 Jul 06, 07:46 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

the edited version in the us 7" is 3.03. So where is this available?


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Posted: 18 Jul 06, 07:47 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

thanks John.. I wonder if it was bought from some collector we may know...




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Posted: 18 Jul 06, 07:53 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

ferdy wrote:

the edited version in the us 7" is 3.03. So where is this available?


I imagine this was the edit test-pressed for a UK single release (A or B-side: UK 1-sided Emidisc 7" acetate) which did not happen.
It was not mine, but between us, I guess we can work out the original owner ;-)

PS: Please notice that if I can answer a question or request, then I do so politely without fuss or riddles... ;-)


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Posted: 18 Jul 06, 08:16 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

This was in my collection some years ago, along with Ogre Battle and My Fairy King... Paid a lot for them and sold it basically at par through a Bonham auction; mostly because i wasnt convinced 100% about its authenticity. The version it had was an edited BBC version (same as on BBC CD from 1989 with heavily edited fade-in intro ). I still have all three discs in wav + better scanned picture, if any cares i can put it up somewhere...

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Posted: 18 Jul 06, 08:16 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

double post sorry

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Posted: 18 Jul 06, 08:21 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

JSS: i asked you about these 3 acetates roughly 6 months ago, and your reply was something like "i agree with you , its most likely not genuine..." . Although I never figured out how and why would anyone make a reprint copy of an acetate...

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Posted: 18 Jul 06, 09:32 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Miklos wrote:

This was in my collection some years ago, along with Ogre Battle and My Fairy King... Paid a lot for them and sold it basically at par through a Bonham auction; mostly because i wasnt convinced 100% about its authenticity. The version it had was an edited BBC version (same as on BBC CD from 1989 with heavily edited fade-in intro ). I still have all three discs in wav + better scanned picture, if any cares i can put it up somewhere...


I would be grateful if you can send me those pix for my web page.

thanks in advance

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Posted: 18 Jul 06, 09:58 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

John S Stuart wrote:



I imagine this was the edit test-pressed for a UK single release (A or B-side: UK 1-sided Emidisc 7" acetate)


Miklos wrote:

JSS: i asked you about these 3 acetates roughly 6 months ago, and your reply was something like "i agree with you , its most likely not genuine..." . Although I never figured out how and why would anyone make a reprint copy of an acetate...


Miklos: You are correct, I still have those original e-mails. I wrote the above answer without consulting my previous notes. Sorry about that.

I still agree with you because, 'I (too) never figured out how and why would anyone make a reprint copy of an acetate...'

Being perfectly honest, the problem for me is that this 'thing' exists - so it is a 'genuine acetate'. However, to this day, I still suspect its authenticity, simply because it is an EMI disc, But as we all know, the BBC sessions were EMI independant. Also, the strange intro defies the logic of providing the track with an economical 'hook'.






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Posted: 19 Jul 06, 16:36 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

ferdy wrote:

Miklos wrote:

This was in my collection some years ago, along with Ogre Battle and My Fairy King... Paid a lot for them and sold it basically at par through a Bonham auction; mostly because i wasnt convinced 100% about its authenticity. The version it had was an edited BBC version (same as on BBC CD from 1989 with heavily edited fade-in intro ). I still have all three discs in wav + better scanned picture, if any cares i can put it up somewhere...


I would be grateful if you can send me those pix for my web page.

thanks in advance

ferdy


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Ferdy>I have just seen a picture of a "we will rock you" acetate on your webpage. This was exactly the fourth acetate that I was offered for sale around six years ago (you can see it on the picture i sent you, the label is exactly the same),and as i said earlier i only bought the other three. Do you have any confirmation of the content of that, is that also the BBC version or ...? When the seller showed me this piece, it just added to my confusion. 3 acetates from the BBC sessions and one WWRY with very similar EMIDISC .... no idea why they exist.

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Posted: 19 Jul 06, 18:37 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

as far as I know the WWRY acetate contains and edited album version. I't from Queenpicurehall.com collection (Ron). I suppose they were commisioned for an non specific purpose like singles issue or whatever but just for inhouse reason like listening. The value of the "Liar" in my opinion is not comparable to the Trident acetate one which I think is more important as collector item.


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Posted: 22 Jul 06, 09:27 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

http://rapidshare.de/files/26621589/3acetates.mp3.html

here it is if anyone cares ... the above mentioned three acetates in one mp3. As said earlier i dont hear any difference to the normal bbc versions except the intro cut. If anyone else has different opinion let us know :).

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Posted: 22 Jul 06, 09:39 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Thank you very much Miklos!

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Posted: 23 Jul 06, 04:11 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

koszi szepen Miki!

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Posted: 23 Jul 06, 08:04 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Thank you Miklos!




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Posted: 23 Jul 06, 10:05 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

THANKS A LOT, PAL!