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Posted: 18 Jul 06, 17:50 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Forgive me for repeating myself, but, I am posting this everywhere the Official Queen Archivist can read it, to remind him of the promise he made to me on 11th July 2006 .

Now there is no excuse to say that he did not see it, or that he overlooked my mail.

Therefore, if you a man of your word, and can you please reply to the request below?

John S Stuart wrote:

Therefore, I accept your very kind offer;http://www.queenzone.com/queenzone/forumnew/forum_topic_view.aspx?Q=821653

Queen Archivist: "If John S. Stuart would like to make the extent of his knowledge known to us all, including the things he 'thinks' exist, and he puts it on the table, I will confirm or not that they exist or not. NO confusion, no guessing, no misleading misinformation. John, what do you REALLY know. What do you REALLY have to offer as fact?"

As I have been so free with my version of events re: Queen II recording sessions, and I have placed all my knowledge "...on the table", I hope you can oblige and let me know EXACTLY where I have gone wrong.

I really look forward to reading your informative reply,

John S. Stuart



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Posted: 18 Jul 06, 18:57 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Oh I most certainly hope he is now!


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Posted: 18 Jul 06, 20:03 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

YoungStratMan: Here is the answer to your question: "Surrender To The City" was written by Freddie as an early (or working title) for the tail end section of 'March Of The Black Queen' (which was at one time a seperate track).

It begins with the section: "Forget your sing a-longs and your lullabies", and comes from the line: "Surrender to the city of the fireflies..."

We have discussed this before, but like the Beatles "A Day In The Life"' many of Queen's magnus opus - are infact two or three seperate tracks joined to make one.

Other examples would include "Innuendo" and "A New Life Is Born"' (which later became "Breakthru").

According to uncredited sources at Wikipedia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queen_II

'Unreleased songs from these sessions include John Deacon's first song, titled 'Fly By Night', as well as two songs called 'Deep Ridge' (by Brian) and 'Surrender To The City' (by Freddie). Initial ideas for 'Brighton Rock' and 'The Prophets Song' were laid down during these sessions'.




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Posted: 18 Jul 06, 20:36 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

the_hero wrote:

Surrender to the city is probably a seperated take of Funny how love is, as Deep Ridge never exsisted. This is all I have to say until I see any proove that says I'm wrong.


Good call.

I always thought (as I said above): "Surrender To The City" was written by Freddie as an early (or working title) for the tail end section of 'March Of The Black Queen' (which was at one time a seperate track), because it begins with the section: "Forget your sing a-longs and your lullabies", and comes from the line: "Surrender to the city of the fireflies..."

However, I can live with your variation, in that it was the original beginning of

the_hero wrote:

...a seperated take of Funny how love is...


We may be holding different ends of the same stick, but at least we both agree that it was the 'original form' of what has now become the accepted segue between both songs.

So what if not (as previously believed) two tracks were originally segued, but three?

March Of The Black Queen
Surrender To The City
Funny How Love Is

However, (as previously pointed out) I have not... moved into the Queen Archive room and... told nobody - and this is indeed second best, (although given the material to work with - the best I can do under the circumstances).

PS: All words written by me are my own, and I accept full responsibility for my own actions.
PPS: Perhaps the Official Queen Archivist is indeed a man of his word, and could reply to the above?




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Posted: 19 Jul 06, 16:22 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

No, it's just a B side.