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Posted: 19 Jul 06, 10:17 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Now that I have the bit between my teeth again, I am interested, at the moment, in unreleased material dating from the 1970's. Below I list the uncited Wikipedia enteries, but there must be other sources. Who can help me find out as much as we can, without raiding the vaults - and what else is rumoured to be out there?

Who wrote these Wikipedia enteries?

Does anyone know the website where I can check against the registered authors or copyrighted writers of the tracks?

If you do know of any rumoured tracks - who was the source, where did the rumour come from?

The idea is to pan among the dirt, until we find some gold nuggets. I know it is imperfect, and will take a lot of digging, but, at least it is an attempt.




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Posted: 19 Jul 06, 10:17 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Queen II

According to unconfirmed sources at Wikipedia.com: Unreleased songs from these sessions include John Deacon's first song, titled 'Fly By Night', as well as two songs called 'Deep Ridge' (by Brian) and 'Surrender To The City' (by Freddie). It has been suggested that 'Surrender To The City' was written by Freddie as an early (or working title) for the tail end section of 'March Of The Black Queen' (which was at one time a separate track), because it begins with the section: "Forget your sing a-longs and your lullabies", and comes from the line: "Surrender to the city of the fireflies..." Initial ideas for 'Brighton Rock' and 'The Prophets Song' were laid down during these sessions.

Queenzone 19 July 2006: When asked “Is/Was there EVER any tracks for Queen II called ‘Deep Ridge’, and/or ‘Surrender To The City’, the Queen archivist replied: ‘Not that I know of. Never seen mention of any such tracks.

Sheer Heart Attack

According to unconfirmed sources at Wikipedia.com: Along with 'Sheer Heart Attack', several further songs were recorded during these sessions: 'Psycho Legs', an early version of 'Death On Two Legs', was recorded, along with a track by John Deacon called 'Young And Crazy' (not related to 'Tenement Funster'). Other titles of songs include 'Rollin' On', 'Between The Punches', 'Several Saturday Nights', 'The Man In The Mirror', and a lengthy jam called 'Brian's Boogie'.

A Night At The Opera

According to unconfirmed sources at Wikipedia.com: A song written by May and Mercury called "And Baby will Fall" was originally slated to end the album until it was decided that 'God Save The Queen' be the conclusion. Further, songs titled "Woe" (written by May and Mercury), "All for Nothing" (written by Deacon), and "Any Given Day" (written and sung by May) were also recorded.


A Day At The Races

According to unconfirmed sources at Wikipedia.com: Unreleased songs include an early version of 'We Are The Champions' (simply titled 'Champions' at this stage), a re-recording of 'Woe' by May and Mercury, a May song called 'The Night Draws In', and a Mercury song called 'Lap Of Luxury'.

News Of The World

According to unconfirmed sources at Wikipedia.com: A Freddie vocal version of 'Fight From The Inside' was recorded, as was a fast version of 'We Will Rock You', a guitar version of 'My Melancholy Blues', and two versions - one standard rock and one reggae - of 'Who Needs You'. The only true outtakes include a Brian composition titled 'Batteries Not Included' and a Freddie composition titled 'Where Did You Go Now?'

Jazz

According to unconfirmed sources at Wikipedia.com: 'Coming Soon' was originally recorded during these sessions, and a song called 'Circles' (authorship unknown) was also recorded. These are the only true outtakes, though a Freddie vocal version of 'Leaving Home Ain't Easy' was also recorded. 'Jealousy' and 'In Only Seven Days' were heavily edited; the former ran over five minutes, while the latter edited out a piano solo that brought the song over four minutes.

Coincidently, the ‘Quartz’ debut album "Stand Up And Fight" (recorded 1977 – released 2004) featured sessions including Brian May as guest guitarist on a track also called ‘Circles’ (also featuring Ozzy Osbourne on backing vocals).



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Posted: 19 Jul 06, 10:28 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

EDIT: Nevermind...


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Posted: 19 Jul 06, 10:29 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

It would be interesting to know who has edited these pages on Wikipedia displaying this knowledge, I wonder if it's the same person for all albums.

The problem with Wiki is, I believe anyone can edit it, therefore it could be all made up.


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Posted: 19 Jul 06, 10:40 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Unreleased 1970's Tracks confirmed to exist:
(I have not included BBC sessions)

Queen


Doing All Right
UK 7” Trident one-sided acetate (BBC Edit)

Great King Rat
GB IQFC convention October 16th 2004, Vlaardingen, Holland: Unreleased Great King Rat (Vocal demo Version). Recorded early 1973. Freddie counts intro, different melody and lyrics and no electric guitars.
GB IQFC convention Prestatyn 2005: Unreleased Great King Rat Early demo: Take 4
Vocal demo 3:50
Take 4 Early demo 3:40
Small Odd Ends

My Fairy King
UK 7” EMIDisc Acetate (Exclusive BBC Edit)
Freddie Solo Piano Demo

Liar
UK 7” EMIDisc Acetate (3:36 Exclusive BBC Edit)
Rough Demo
Lover: Ibex/Wreckage Original version Does Not Exist

Night Comes Down
Roy Thomas Baker Trident Studios Version

Modern Times Rock and Roll
Rough Demo

Son and Daughter
Out-Take Version(s)

Jesus
Trident "Heavy" Version

Seven Seas Of Rhye
7” Withdrawn Test Press - As It Began p75

Mad The Swine
Original Trident Studio Version

I Can Hear Music
Trident Studios UK 1-sided acetate 7”
Recorded by Freddie, Brian and Roger during summer of 1973 under the pseudonym of “Larry Lurex And The Voles From Venus” while they were waiting for available studio time to work on their debut album. Trident producer Robin Cable thought Freddie's voice was perfect for this Beach Boys cover version. When released the artist name was shortened to just “Larry Lurex”. Robin Cable’s next Queen production “Funny How Love Is” also recreated the Phil Spector sounding: “Funny How Love Is” on the “Queen II” album.

Silver Salmon
(Convention No1: “Feeling” Version)

Polar Bear (3:45)
Polar Bear (4:43)(Take 2 – including studio talk)

Rock 'n Roll Medley
White Queen (Eponymous Session)
Ogre Battle (Eponymous Session)
See What A Fool I’ve Been (Eponymous Session)
Stone Cold Crazy (Eponymous Session)
Seven Seas Of Rye (Eponymous Vocal Session)

Trident One-sided 10" acetates:
Hangman
Rock ‘n roll (Jailhouse Rock)
Jesus
Keep Yourself Alive


Queen II

Procession
Golder’s Green Demo (Studio version)

White Queen
Brian May 1968 Home Demo

Ogre Battle
7" one-sided Trident acetate BBC Edit (3:02)
(Fades-in during final intro scream – fades-out during final outro screams)

Nevermore
GB IQFC convention Prestatyn 2005:
Nevermore Piano/bass Instrumental
Nevermore Piano/bass Instrumental (2:00)

March Of The Black Queen
GB IQFC convention Prestatyn 2005: Unreleased March Of The Black Queen Instrumental (Takes 3/5)
Takes 3 & 5 Instrumental (6:45)

Funny How Love Is
GB IQFC convention Prestatyn 2005: Unreleased Funny How Love Is Instrumental (Takes 3 & 5)
Original (1st Press) Cassette Tape Mix Queen II: TC M-M EMI TC EMA 767
Instrumental Takes 3 & 5 (6:30)

Seven Seas Of Rhye
Withdrawn Test Press - As It Began p75

See What A Fool I’ve Been
Smile: Royal Albert Hall 27th February 1969


Sheer Heart Attack

Carousel

Brighton Rock
Original Working Titles: Happy Little Fuck, Happy Little Day, Blackpool Rock, Bognor Ballad, Southend Sea Scout, Skiffle Rock and Herne Bay. Session engineer Mike Stone is the likely culprit of some of the titles, though the band members themselves frequently employed working titles during the song development process.
GB IQFC convention October 16th 2004, Vlaardingen, Holland: Unreleased Brighton Rock (Incomplete lyric Version) Musically, very similar, but Bass guitar is very different, no guitar overdubs. The solo is much shorter, and most of the lyrics consist of Freddie La la las.
Incomplete Lyric Version

Killer Queen
7" Acetate (0:10" Finger Click Intro)

Tenement Funster
GB IQFC convention October 16th 2004, Vlaardingen, Holland: Unreleased Tenement Funster (Instrumental)
Instrumental demo 2:20

Flick Of The Wrist
GB IQFC convention October 16th 2004, Vlaardingen, Hollan


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Posted: 19 Jul 06, 10:52 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

John, since we're on the subject of unreleased 70's material could you perhaps help me with a question?

I know you own the Hangman acetate and I presume you have listened to it (if not then forget the question) and of course I'm not asking you to upload it or even post a sample but could you perhaps give us some information on how you would rate the sound quality, the track length, if it's any different from the live versions and any other details worth mentioning about this great song?

If you don't want to answer this, I'll understand. Thanks in advance though.

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Posted: 19 Jul 06, 10:56 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

the_hero wrote:

Sorry for interrupting this interesting thread, but "John Deacon's first song, titled 'Fly By Night'" IS there any information about this track at all? (is it a demo of a song we know or a stand alone track?)


I know your question is not directly pointed at me, but the truth is, I have no idea. That is why I am panning for gold. In the absence of any further info, we are all just digging in the dirt - for now.

Hopefully, as a community, we can gain some useful insights, and by forcing the source issue, trace it back, and even if we unearth one reliable gem, I think that the work would have been worthwhile.


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Posted: 19 Jul 06, 10:57 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Why not include over 20 takes for most of the songs?




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Posted: 19 Jul 06, 11:22 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

FriedChicken<br><font size=1>The Almighty</font> wrote:

Why not include over 20 takes for most of the songs?


Right.

More then just takes 3 and 5 of both MOTBQ and FHLI have had an airing. And that's only what has actually been played at conventions!
(Though, yes, some of the other takes are THAT short that you can hardly call them a 'song'.

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Posted: 19 Jul 06, 12:09 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

John,

Would it be worth puttign this directly to Brian via Jen at brianmay.com do you think?


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Posted: 19 Jul 06, 12:14 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Benn wrote:

John,

Would it be worth puttign this directly to Brian via Jen at brianmay.com do you think?


I think you should ask Lester that question!


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Posted: 19 Jul 06, 15:25 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Part of the problem I have with the internet these days is that as well as providing us with real genuine information, there is a lot of sites with "mis-information". What I mean by that is that there is info there but with no foundation or substance to back it up with. That kind of info can only be viewed as rumour or speculation until firm proof is provided.

There is also sites out there that would have you believe that Freddie sang on the Leo Sayer hit "Thunder In My Heart" and proclaiming this to be the truth when the fact is it is totally wrong.

So I thank you John for putting this thread up here and at least attempting to get to the truth. My only other wish is that Greg himself joins in within the spirit of the thread and not rise to any name calling or whatever.


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Posted: 19 Jul 06, 16:40 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Wikipedia is as reliable as something really unreliable.

It's like the opposite of journalism.

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Posted: 19 Jul 06, 18:54 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

http://repertoire.bmi.com/startpage.asp is I think what you're looking for to find the registered authors and publishers of songs.

There's nothing particularly interesting from Freddie, although searching under Brian throws up a few interesting items, such as 'Behaviour Modification', 'Change', and 'In The Groove':

http://tinyurl.com/r9mdu


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Posted: 19 Jul 06, 21:07 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Kastagir wrote:

It would be interesting to know who has edited these pages on Wikipedia displaying this knowledge, I wonder if it's the same person for all albums.

Yes, it's the same person:
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions&target=71.224.53.203

By the way, it's really strange that "71.224.53.203" claimed bass guitar on "Sail Away Sweet Sister" had been played by Brian May and not by John Deacon...


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jeroen wrote:

FriedChicken<br><font size=1>The Almighty</font> wrote:

Why not include over 20 takes for most of the songs?


Right.

More then just takes 3 and 5 of both MOTBQ and FHLI have had an airing. And that's only what has actually been played at conventions!
(Though, yes, some of the other takes are THAT short that you can hardly call them a 'song'.


What do you mean with that Jeroen?

I meant that it's a bit unnessecary to make a whole list of alternate versions. Since it's highly unlikely that there isn't more than 1 take for each song (even when John didn't mention it, or when Greg didn't play it).

Oh yeah, the original multitrack of Bohemian Rhapsody has three lead vocal takes on it.


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Posted: 20 Jul 06, 06:43 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

FriedChicken<br><font size=1>The Almighty</font> wrote:

jeroen wrote:

FriedChicken<br><font size=1>The Almighty</font> wrote:

Why not include over 20 takes for most of the songs?


Right.

More then just takes 3 and 5 of both MOTBQ and FHLI have had an airing. And that's only what has actually been played at conventions!
(Though, yes, some of the other takes are THAT short that you can hardly call them a 'song'.


What do you mean with that Jeroen?

I meant that it's a bit unnessecary to make a whole list of alternate versions. Since it's highly unlikely that there isn't more than 1 take for each song (even when John didn't mention it, or when Greg didn't play it).

Oh yeah, the original multitrack of Bohemian Rhapsody has three lead vocal takes on it.

I think we meant to say the same ;-)

Though it might be possible that not all takes have survived. We could at least list the ones we KNOW that DID survive.
I mentioned this because JSS specifically mentioned takes 3 and 5 and we both know that more takes have been played. (Take 4 for example)
We know that these are 'available' in some sort of way and not SOLELY remain in the archives.
We don't know what happened to takes 1 and 2 for example - so no need to list them. But we could at least try to be as complete as possible with what we know did find it's way out in whatever form.
Am I making sence? ;-)

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Posted: 20 Jul 06, 16:23 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

John S Stuart wrote:

Unreleased 1970's Tracks confirmed to exist:
(I have not included BBC sessions)


Polar Bear (3:45)
Polar Bear (4:43)(Take 2 – including studio talk)



These two are indeed the same take. The only diference is the talking in the begining, isn´t it?

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Posted: 21 Jul 06, 03:29 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I had a quick look at the BMI link posted by Bohardy and have the following to report.

- Published under "Mercury Freddie" are two songs (out of a total of 133) titled "Champions" and "We Are The Champions". Assuming that it would be meaningless to register the same song twice, one could say that "Champions" could be an early version of "We Are The Champions".

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Posted: 21 Jul 06, 05:11 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Bobby_brown wrote:

John S Stuart wrote:

Unreleased 1970's Tracks confirmed to exist:
(I have not included BBC sessions)


Polar Bear (3:45)
Polar Bear (4:43)(Take 2 – including studio talk)



These two are indeed the same take. The only diference is the talking in the begining, isn´t it?

Take care


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