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Posted: 03 Aug 06, 19:41 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Actually this is an open request to anybody with knowledge of stuff that would have made a better celebration of Freddie's 60th birthday.

I just know that Mr. Stuart's "Ultimate Collection" threads were awesome, and it'd be good to have a Freddie version / compilation of those, to see what could have been.

It's debatable whether or not re-releasing Freddie's "Greatest Hits" is annoying, but that's not really what I'm going for here.

What would you prefer for CD2 instead of what we're getting?

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Posted: 03 Aug 06, 20:19 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

This question can be answered in two parts.

First: Tracks known to exist - but were not included in the 'Freddie Mercury: Solo Collection' Box set. (This does NOT include tracks which could be used in a Queen Anthology - E.g: 'There Must Be More To Life Than This?' - John Deacon Queen Remix).

Ibex: Unreleased Live Sink Club, Liverpool, 9 September 1969
I'm So Glad, Communication Breakdown, We're Going Wrong, Rock Me Baby, Stone Free, Jailhouse Rock, Crossroads, Vagabond Outcast, I’m Going Home

Wreckage: Unreleased Home Demos, Freddie’s Flat, Barnes, 1969
Green (Complete Rehearsal - c10 mins)

Metropolis

Love Kills
1984 Metropolis 2:25 OST - Metropolis Video
1992 Canada 12"/ CD 5:17 Re-Edit - In Memories Of Freddie Mercury
1992 US Wolf Original 3:27 Remix - Parlophone CDR 6331
1992 US Wolf Euro 3:24 Remix - Parlophone PM 517
2000 Synthesised Version 3:41 - Unreleased: Home Mini Disc
2000 Jazz Version 4:40 - Unreleased: Home Mini Disc
2000 Overture Version 3:33 - Unreleased: Home Mini Disc
2000 Synthesised Version (Radio Edit) - Unreleased:
2000 Jazz Version (Edit) - Unreleased:
1986 Metropolis Video Excerpt - Metropolis Video


Mr Bad Guy

Let's Turn It On
1993 Jeff Lord-Alge 3:44 Remix - Parlophone CDPCSD 124
Instrumental - Unreleased

Made In Heaven
1985 UK 7" 4:05 Edit (Freddie) - CBS A6413

I Was Born To Love You
1985 Casio 1:51 Bootleg Demo - Unreleased: Home Mini-Disc
1985 US DJ Steven Von Blau 7:30 Mix - Disconet MWDN 711 Volume 11 Programme 7
2002 Freddie Mercury DJ White Label Club Mix - Wanted:
Instrumental - Unreleased

Foolin' Around
1993 Steve Brown 3:35 Remix - Parlophone CDPCSD 124

Your Kind Of Lover
1993 Steve Brown 3:57 Remix - Parlophone CDPCSD 124
Instrumental - Unreleased

Mr. Bad Guy
1985 Argentina 7” 3:17 Edit - I Was Born To Love You
1993 Brian Malouf 3:54 Remix - Parlophone CDPCSD 124
1993 US Julian Raymond Version 3:54 - Great Pretender CD

Man Made Paradise
Instrumental - Unreleased
1985 Freddie Mercury Demo Version - Freddie Mercury Solo Collection: Untold Story DVD

Living On My Own
1985 Brazil 12" 6:34 Remix
1993 NMB 12” 5:07 Dub Mix - Parlophone 12R 6355
1993 NMB 12” L.A. 3:39 Remix - Parlophone 12R 6355
1993 NMB CDs Album 3:36 Mix - Parlophone CDR 6355
1993 NMB Techno 3:47 Remix - Home Mini-Disc
1993 Julian Raymond 3:37 Remix - Parlophone CDPCSD 124
1993 Remix Promotional Video - Unreleased: Home Video

My Love Is Dangerous
1993 US Jeff Lord-Alge 3:38 Remix - Parlophone PM 517

She Blows Hot And Cold
1985 UK 7” “Speed” Intro 0:12” - CBS A6413

New York
Very Early Demo (2:29) - Unreleased: Home Mini-Disc

Piano improvisation (Freddie solo) - Unreleased: Home Mini-Disc
You're The Only One (Freddie solo) - Unreleased: Home Mini-Disc
Demo 2 (probably Freddie solo) - Unreleased: Home Mini-Disc

Killing Me (Killing Time?) - Unreleased:


Time Original Soundtrack

Time
1986 UK LP OST “Live” Version 3:51
1986 UK LP OST Reprise 3:10
1993 US Promo CDs Album Version 3:48 - Hollywood PRCD - 103082
1993 US Nile Rodger's 3:51 Remix
1993 US Promo CD 3:51 Radio Mix - Hollywood PRCD – 103082

In My Defence
1993 US Ron Nevison 3:53 Remix
1992 Promotional Video - Unreleased: Home Video


Freddie Mercury/ Montseratte Caballe: Barcelona
UK CD - Polydor POLH 44

March 1987: Complete 35 -minute Mercury, & Moran “Garden Lodge” Instrumental demos.
Freddie Mercury/Mike Moran Improvisations - Unreleased: Home Mini-Disc

29 March 1987: Complete 71-minute Mercury, Caballe & Moran “Garden Lodge” vocal improvisations.
Garden Lodge Improvisations - Unreleased: Home Mini-Disc

Barcelona
UK CDs 3 Track Promo Edit 5:38 - Polydor POLYCD 3 12521101
1992 BBC Olympic Edit 1:16 -Polydor PZCD 221

La Japanaise
UK CDs 3 Track Promo Edit 4:50 - Polydor POLYCD 3 12521101

Fallen Priest
UK 7" Edit 2:50 - Polydor

Ensue


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Posted: 03 Aug 06, 20:27 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Second: What may exist - but still awaits official confirmation.
(Again, I have tried to avoid material which may end up on 'Queen' rather than exclusively Freddie sets).

Freddie Mercury
Complete Garden Lodge Home video tapes

(I too would feel guilty if Freddie's personal space was posthumously exploited, but, a few pointed extracts could be used to enhance any new DVD or documentary).

Freddie Mercury & Montserrat Caballe:
Complete Garden Lodge Home Demo tapes

Freddie Mercury & Mike Moran (et al):
Complete Garden Lodge Home Demo tapes

Jim Hutton Freddie Mercury tapes

Freddie Mercury & Michael Jackson
Victory
(Victory: A Queen Backing Vocals Version was aired by GB at 2001 Convention)

Freddie Mercury & Roger Taylor
Fun In Space Demos
Strange Frontier Demos


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Posted: 03 Aug 06, 20:31 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

AWESOME! Thanks for replying so quickly.

I was thinking it'd be high time to revisit the "One Night Stand" idea.

There have been so many "remixes" of Freddie's material, and 90% of them amount to professionally-done bad ideas.

There are a few things on the FM 2000 box that are one track out of a mix (like just Freddie on "Let's Turn It On" or just the brass from "Mr. Bad Guy.")

It'd be cool if they broke a song down (something other than LOMO or Love Kills, ideally) into its parts like Roger did with ONS. They could make those parts available, define some parameters, and then make a competition with a poll for best mix on the official site. The prize could be, dunno, the release for free?

They could then have two really good professional mixes of that song, yes, one from the "dance" end of the spectrum, but another from the "John Deacon" (or "good" :) ) end of the spectrum.

Anyway, I wish we had those parts (to be fair we have something), but that's essentially what I'm trying to do with my September podcast.



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Posted: 03 Aug 06, 21:02 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

March 1987: Complete 35 -minute Mercury, & Moran “Garden Lodge” Instrumental demos.
Freddie Mercury/Mike Moran Improvisations - Unreleased: Home Mini-Disc

29 March 1987: Complete 71-minute Mercury, Caballe & Moran “Garden Lodge” vocal improvisations.
Garden Lodge Improvisations - Unreleased: Home Mini-Disc



Think something like this could ever be put out by Queen prod?


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Posted: 03 Aug 06, 21:30 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

ern2150: In the light of the above information, what do you (or other readers) think the 'Lover Of Life...' 60th Anniversary set should contain?

How does it make the Official set (reproduced below) appear?

In My Defence (2000 Remix)
The Great Pretender (Original Version from 1987)
Living On My Own (1993 No More Brothers Radio Mix)
Made In Heaven (Mr Bad Guy Album Version from 1985)
Love Kills (Original Version from 1984)
There Must Be More To Life Than This (Mr Bad Guy Album Version from 1985)
Guide Me Home (Barcelona Album Version from 1988)
How Can I Go On? (Barcelona Album Version from 1988)
Foolin’ Around (Steve Brown Version)
Time (Original Version from 1986)
Barcelona (Barcelona Album Version from 1988)
Love Me Like There’s No Tomorrow (Mr Bad Guy Album Version from 1985)
I Was Born To Love You (Mr Bad Guy Album Version from 1985)
The Golden Boy (Barcelona Album Version from 1988)
Mr Bad Guy (Mr Bad Guy Album Version from 1985)
The Great Pretender (Malouf Mix)
Love Kills (Star Rider Remix)
I Can Hear Music (Original Version from 1973)
Goin’ Back (Original Version from 1973)
Guide Me Home (Thierry Lang)

Love Kills (Sunshine People Radio mix) 3.18
Made In Heaven (Extended Version) 4.50
Living On My Own (Egg vocal Mix) 5.40
Love Kills (Rank 1 Remix) 7.26
Mr Bad Guy (Bad Circulation mix) 3.24
I Was Born To Love You (George Demure remix) 4.00
My Love Is Dangerous 6.29
Love Making Love (Demo) 3.36
Love KIlls (Pixel82 remix) 6.12
I Was Born To Love You (Extended Version) 7.06
Foolin' Around (Early Version) 4.14
Living On My Own (No More Brothers Extended Mix) 5.17
Love Kills (Glimmers re-edit) 7.23
Your Kind Of Lover (V & P version) 3.38
Let's Turn It On (Acapella) 3.05

Finally,

Win an exclusive Freddie Mercury original track!
(Adapted from an idea by ern2150)

In honour of Freddie's 60th birthday, (and as a rebellion against the Evil Empire's ‘Rank 1' remixes), I propose the first real Queenzone competition: 'The Queenzone Freddie's Birthday Challenge'.

Open equally to those who like to create their own music (anyone recall Freddie Mercury and Stuart Leathem’s: ‘Nobody Understands Me’) or unofficial hybrid or fanmix versions, as the idea is to create new versions or mixes to rival those on the latest official CD sets.

Tracks like ‘Let’s Turn It On (Acapella)’, ‘I Was Born To Love You (Vocal & Piano)’, or any of the isolated 5.1 Freddie vocal tracks are begging for newly scored or karaoke-sampled backings, while previous examples of great fan-mixes would have to include the Freddie Mercury and Michael Jackson ‘There Must Be More To Life Than This’ hybrid, and the ‘New York At Last’ remix

Anyone can enter as many times as they like, using many different styles, or even their own arrangements and instrumentation - but at the end of the day, it has to be a Freddie (or Freddie based) track.

I hope to enlist the help of another few 'Queenzone regulars' as volunteer judges to share that responsibility, as all new material will be posted in the 'fan mixes' forum anyway, but at the end of the day, the collective decision of that panel shall be final.

The only stipulation is that all submitted tracks to the competition must be in FLAC or as high a bit-rate as possible, so that Queenzone readers can cut their own alternative Birthday CD of favourite alternative mixes.

To the overall winner, I shall donate a very special Freddie track. Unfortunately, I can not donate any runner-up prizes. A closing date will be confirmed for c12 weeks time.

PS: Please post all entries in the FAN MIXES:’ The Queenzone Freddie's Birthday Challenge competition' thread as it keeps them all in the one location!)

http://www.queenzone.com/queenzone/forumnew/forum_topic_view.aspx?Q=842564








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Posted: 03 Aug 06, 21:55 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Excellent idea -- A Freddie prize! Would you be so kind as to reproduce your offer as a bump for this thread:

http://www.queenzone.com/queenzone/forumNew/forum_topic_view.aspx?Q=825655

I think if ANY of the above unreleased material had been represented on the official release, I would be much more eager about buying it. Supposedly Mr. Bad Guy (Bad Circulation Mix) is going to feature bits of a demo of that song that isn't on the box set...and that only makes me wonder if I can obtain it separately :)



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Posted: 04 Aug 06, 11:10 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

What is a home mini disc and how do you have one of those if it is unreleased?

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Posted: 04 Aug 06, 11:13 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

AlexRocks wrote:

What is a home mini disc and how do you have one of those if it is unreleased?


It is just a cataloguing exercise, nothing more or less.

As for owning unreleased stuff - try looking around - the 'Announce Forum' would be a good start.


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Posted: 04 Aug 06, 11:14 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Great idea btw!

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Posted: 04 Aug 06, 14:56 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

John Wrote: Victory (Queen Backing Vocals Version) - Unreleased: 2001 Convention

John, assuming you mean the UK convention, I was at that Convention and Greg certainly did NOT play this track during his Archive section.

If he DID play it, he must have played it at a later time.
If he did play it, then I'm bummed to have missed it!!



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Posted: 04 Aug 06, 16:41 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

we also missed Sunny and Purple Haze :) ...

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Posted: 04 Aug 06, 17:17 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

John S Stuart wrote:


Lyrics

1989 Freddie unreleased lyrics - songs NOT recorded.
In Search Of Love
Had To Believe Me
Everybody Needs Somebody


I'd LOVE to see THOSE... :|


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Posted: 04 Aug 06, 17:24 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Dan Corson wrote:

John S Stuart wrote:


Lyrics

1989 Freddie unreleased lyrics - songs NOT recorded.
In Search Of Love
Had To Believe Me
Everybody Needs Somebody


I'd LOVE to see THOSE... :|


Here you go: In search of love

http://img386.imageshack.us/img386/8479/dscn10410ff.jpg

http://img386.imageshack.us/img386/9246/dscn10428yw.jpg

As you will see the second lyrics sheet looks like the A winter's tale lyrics.

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Posted: 04 Aug 06, 18:27 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

pootle1 wrote:

John Wrote: Victory (Queen Backing Vocals Version) - Unreleased: 2001 Convention

John, assuming you mean the UK convention, I was at that Convention and Greg certainly did NOT play this track during his Archive section.

If he DID play it, he must have played it at a later time.
If he did play it, then I'm bummed to have missed it!!



You are correct, Greg did NOT play 'Victory' at the 2001 UK convention - but he DID reveal this information in a question and answer session later in the day.
The citation: 'Unreleased: 2001 Convention' is a reference so that I know where and when this information came from, and whether it was verifiable or not. As this information came from more than one source, I know that the data is indeed accurate - and therefore safe to include in here.

Read it here:

http://www.brianmay.com/queen/convention2001/gregbrooks.html

"Michael Jackson tracks: Greg is positive that the tracks will eventually appear on a CD in some form, there is 1 track in the Queen archives: VICTORY, but they aren't allowed yet to release it! the track has all the queen boys singing backing vocals!".


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Posted: 04 Aug 06, 19:19 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Walter B. wrote:

Dan Corson wrote:

John S Stuart wrote:


Lyrics

1989 Freddie unreleased lyrics - songs NOT recorded.
In Search Of Love
Had To Believe Me
Everybody Needs Somebody


I'd LOVE to see THOSE... :|


Here you go: In search of love

http://img386.imageshack.us/img386/8479/dscn10410ff.jpg

http://img386.imageshack.us/img386/9246/dscn10428yw.jpg

As you will see the second lyrics sheet looks like the A winter's tale lyrics.


Oh, wow! Thanks! :D


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Posted: 04 Aug 06, 21:05 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Walter B: Please could you scribe the 'poem' bit so I can read what it says?

I find it rather difficult on my PC.


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Posted: 04 Aug 06, 22:04 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

How did you find out about these lyrics, John? And how do you know they weren't recorded? I'm not doubting you, I'm just genuinely curious :)

(I tried transcribing them, but the glare makes it difficult)

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Posted: 04 Aug 06, 22:23 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Lester Burnham wrote:

How did you find out about these lyrics, John? And how do you know they weren't recorded? I'm not doubting you, I'm just genuinely curious :)

(I tried transcribing them, but the glare makes it difficult)


Lester: As the 'source' was close to Freddie - I believe the source.

What I do know for sure is that they exist (nice to see proof in the shape of independant collaboration), and that they were 'sold' as unrecorded lyrics.

Placing my trust in their hands, I would very strongly argue that this story is genuine - and as such the lyrics were not recorded.

What I am amazed at is Freddie's writing style. Notice it begins as a mind-map, and develops from there, and I too agree that the shape of the ideas resemble 'A Winter's Tale'.

I am really not hiding anything from you, so that is about the extent of my expertise, other than, that more (I've listed those below) unrecorded lyrics survive, but I do not know if this is the sum total of those 'unrecorded' ideas, or whether more such lyrics actually exist.

If I do gain any more insight, then as usual, I will share what I know for the good of the community.

Lyrics

1989 Freddie unreleased lyrics - songs NOT recorded.
In Search Of Love
Had To Believe Me
Everybody Needs Somebody







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Posted: 04 Aug 06, 23:18 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

John S Stuart wrote:

Lester Burnham wrote:

How did you find out about these lyrics, John? And how do you know they weren't recorded? I'm not doubting you, I'm just genuinely curious :)

(I tried transcribing them, but the glare makes it difficult)


Lester: As the 'source' was close to Freddie - I believe the source.

What I do know for sure is that they exist (nice to see proof in the shape of independant collaboration), and that they were 'sold' as unrecorded lyrics.

Placing my trust in their hands, I would very strongly argue that this story is genuine - and as such the lyrics were not recorded.

What I am amazed at is Freddie's writing style. Notice it begins as a mind-map, and develops from there, and I too agree that the shape of the ideas resemble 'A Winter's Tale'.

I am really not hiding anything from you, so that is about the extent of my expertise, other than, that more (I've listed those below) unrecorded lyrics survive, but I do not know if this is the sum total of those 'unrecorded' ideas, or whether more such lyrics actually exist.

If I do gain any more insight, then as usual, I will share what I know for the good of the community.

Lyrics

1989 Freddie unreleased lyrics - songs NOT recorded.
In Search Of Love
Had To Believe Me
Everybody Needs Somebody


Thanks, John - I know you're not hiding anything, nor would I accuse you of such; I was just curious.