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Posted: 04 Sep 06, 04:10 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Hi guys and gals,

sorry if this is lame or boring but i need to know, what happened to Royal Vision, you know the Queen fan club based in Warren, Mi? I know they ran off with about $500 of my money! Anyone else here ripped by them? I just remembered this cause i was looking through some old Club magazines of various memberships i have had, mostly the OQFC, but i ran across quite a few of the RV ones. I think the last one i have is from '97, but i can't remember when they never reponded to my calls or letters about my fake reservations to the Queen convention i saved all summer (i was in HS) for and they stole. lol Real nice people i tell ya! lol Also, does anyone remember who ran this club?


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Posted: 04 Sep 06, 11:28 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I heard the husband and wife team got into debt over sellling a Queenopoly game. I think the husband's name was Sandy (and he won the UK mastermind trivia in 95 or 96.

I am surprised that you lost money over a convention. I do not believe that they announced a Queenvention in 1997 ... at least I did not register and I tended to register early.


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Posted: 04 Sep 06, 17:56 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Mike Van wrote:

I heard the husband and wife team got into debt over sellling a Queenopoly game. I think the husband's name was Sandy (and he won the UK mastermind trivia in 95 or 96.

I am surprised that you lost money over a convention. I do not believe that they announced a Queenvention in 1997 ... at least I did not register and I tended to register early.


Yes i bought a Queenopoly game, I didn't say i that the convention was in 97, i said that the last club magazine i got was from 97. :) I think it was 96 Prestatyn Sands if i remember correctly.


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Posted: 07 Sep 06, 16:25 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Ahhh that name brings back memories. I went to one of their conventions. Had a great time!

It was certainly nice to have a north american based source of Queen info before the internet and before they became popular here again.

Wasn't one of their names Nan?



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Posted: 07 Sep 06, 18:21 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Feel a need to pipe in here....

Royal Vision folded under debious reasons...reasons someone touched on above ( the Queenopoly game, and many other things) and it took me YEARS to finally hear the truth about what happened. Whenever i would ask about it, everyone involved gummed up and would'nt give me a clue...so i totally understand your curiousity. I'm sorry to hear about you losing a lot of your money.

I'm not going to go into the details here out of respect for those that were involved as i am sure they would rather not have this all brought up again and plastered about publically on QZ.

In a nutshell: Money coming into the Club was misshandled. I think that's the best way of putting it....

Royal Vision had a long and glorious history until it's sad demise in 95' if a remember right. The "Nan" mentioned above was involved in RV for many years but was NOT involved in what happened that spelled the end of the Club. I feel a need to state this. Nan did many great things for RV back in the day and a lot of US Fans have a great respect for this.

Kara and Sandy ran the Club up until the end, and the last QueenVention was held in 1995. I remember it well as the title for the "final" Queen Album ( Made in Heaven) was announced for the first time that night at the Event. I also have a great videotape of it. There were no further US Conventions for a while afterwards as RV ceased to exsist almost immediately afterwards. I remember attending the UK Con in May of 1997 and part of my time there was spent meeting up with old RV Members trying to figure out a way to put together our own Convention for people. That never happened, but a few years later some ex-RV Members DID make it happen...thus "Breakthru" was born.

It took me many years to finally get the whole story about what happened exactly, as it was strange how all of a sudden RV folds up after reaching such hieghts at that time ( even with Offical FC support! Holy Crap...even John Deacon wrote us a personalized message on QPL letterhead to be read at what was the last QV!). Suddenly Kara and Sandy dissapeared off the face of the Earth ( literally ..) and everyone was left scratching there heads wondering what was up.

Sadly, sometimes when you become successful it leads you to temptations.....and this i think had a lot to do with what became of RV.

I loved Royal Vision. I was a huge supporter back in the day, contributing to the Newsletters and also various things for the QueenVentions. It was awesome, and it's hard for people today to realise just how GREAT and incredibly IMPORTANT it was to the US Fan base who were "cut-off" over here in the States from the world of Queen. This was long before the Internet took off and Queen were pretty much forgotten here in mainstream America. The only news or info we could get about the Band was thru the OIQFC, or locally through Royal Vision.

This Club started in 1985/6 if a remember right, and the goal was to bring Queen back to the States to tour. Who would have known that 20 years later it would finally happen? In the meantime they held many Events including the fabulous QueenVentions ( still the best conventions i have been to to date) and X-mas parties and other get togethers. In later years RV helped fans secure tickets when Brian May brought his Band to tour here a couple of times and organized meet and greets with him. Also it must be said that the appearence of the BM Band on the Tonight Show with Jay Leno they had a hand in....expecially literally as several RV Club Members were in the audience that night when the show was taped for broadcast! All those yelps and screams were bonified RV Members!

So yeah, RV was a great club and it was a terrible pity that such a neat organization fell by the wayside.

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Posted: 07 Sep 06, 21:55 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

handled quite well darlin.....






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Posted: 07 Sep 06, 22:26 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Thanks Love....

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Posted: 16 Sep 13, 08:03 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

The last RV "Queenvention" was in 1996.

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Posted: 16 Sep 13, 09:02 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I have nothing but fond memories of Royal Vision

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Posted: 16 Sep 13, 21:44 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Royal Vision was really important for NA Queen fans. I attended the Chicago convention and made many friends for great times.

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Posted: 17 Sep 13, 09:00 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Deacons 1st Choice wrote:

Feel a need to pipe in here....

Royal Vision folded under debious reasons...reasons someone touched on above ( the Queenopoly game, and many other things) and it took me YEARS to finally hear the truth about what happened. Whenever i would ask about it, everyone involved gummed up and would'nt give me a clue...so i totally understand your curiousity. I'm sorry to hear about you losing a lot of your money.

I'm not going to go into the details here out of respect for those that were involved as i am sure they would rather not have this all brought up again and plastered about publically on QZ.

In a nutshell: Money coming into the Club was misshandled. I think that's the best way of putting it....

Royal Vision had a long and glorious history until it's sad demise in 95' if a remember right. The "Nan" mentioned above was involved in RV for many years but was NOT involved in what happened that spelled the end of the Club. I feel a need to state this. Nan did many great things for RV back in the day and a lot of US Fans have a great respect for this.

Kara and Sandy ran the Club up until the end, and the last QueenVention was held in 1995. I remember it well as the title for the "final" Queen Album ( Made in Heaven) was announced for the first time that night at the Event. I also have a great videotape of it. There were no further US Conventions for a while afterwards as RV ceased to exsist almost immediately afterwards. I remember attending the UK Con in May of 1997 and part of my time there was spent meeting up with old RV Members trying to figure out a way to put together our own Convention for people. That never happened, but a few years later some ex-RV Members DID make it happen...thus "Breakthru" was born.

It took me many years to finally get the whole story about what happened exactly, as it was strange how all of a sudden RV folds up after reaching such hieghts at that time ( even with Offical FC support! Holy Crap...even John Deacon wrote us a personalized message on QPL letterhead to be read at what was the last QV!). Suddenly Kara and Sandy dissapeared off the face of the Earth ( literally ..) and everyone was left scratching there heads wondering what was up.

Sadly, sometimes when you become successful it leads you to temptations.....and this i think had a lot to do with what became of RV.

I loved Royal Vision. I was a huge supporter back in the day, contributing to the Newsletters and also various things for the QueenVentions. It was awesome, and it's hard for people today to realise just how GREAT and incredibly IMPORTANT it was to the US Fan base who were "cut-off" over here in the States from the world of Queen. This was long before the Internet took off and Queen were pretty much forgotten here in mainstream America. The only news or info we could get about the Band was thru the OIQFC, or locally through Royal Vision.

This Club started in 1985/6 if a remember right, and the goal was to bring Queen back to the States to tour. Who would have known that 20 years later it would finally happen? In the meantime they held many Events including the fabulous QueenVentions ( still the best conventions i have been to to date) and X-mas parties and other get togethers. In later years RV helped fans secure tickets when Brian May brought his Band to tour here a couple of times and organized meet and greets with him. Also it must be said that the appearence of the BM Band on the Tonight Show with Jay Leno they had a hand in....expecially literally as several RV Club Members were in the audience that night when the show was taped for broadcast! All those yelps and screams were bonified RV Members!

So yeah, RV was a great club and it was a terrible pity that such a neat organization fell by the wayside.


I appreciate the info you posted, but Im a little perplexed as why you are Also "gumming up" about the details like those who did so before someone let you in on what happened after you continued to persist. I personally dont care about how theiving theives feel about how their indescretions are perceived on a forum.

Is it that you promised the personwho told you that you wouldn't tell?


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Posted: 18 Sep 13, 09:43 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Sounds like one of the owners was a junkie and blew all the money they made through it on junk. Then did a runner.

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Posted: 19 Sep 13, 00:26 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Nan always seemed like a good person from what I could tell. I didn't go to the convention here in Warren though. Not because I didn't want to, but because you had to get a hotel room to go. I was short on cash at the time and, more importantly, I live like 10 minutes from the hotel they held it at, so it was ridiculous to me to have to get a room there when I could sleep in my own bed. It's a shame they never succeeded in bringing them back to the States while Freddie was alive.

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Posted: 19 Sep 13, 00:32 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

The Queenventions were absolutely fantastic...I was so disappointed when suddenly it disappeared and I seem to recall losing some money with that too but I was more disappointed with not having Queenventions...

I loved that they did them in different places ie Detroit, New Jersey, Philly, Chicago, Cincinnati, Oberlan(?) Ohio, Chicago etc.

Nan did tremendous things with it (and other Queen related events for us fans) and definitely should never be associated with the demise...I think things got a little political but isn't that always the case...I was never close enough to know what was going on though...

Good thing some good RVers carried on which then evolved into Breakthru which has been great too...loved the one this year in Toronto many thanks to Jorgen for his efforts with that...North American Queen fans will find a way