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Posted: 12 Sep 06, 00:46 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I love this, Freddie mercury proves the critics wrong on queenzone and queenonline. That's all I'v heard on these boards was how solo freddie was a big fat failure, but a successful box set in 2000, a # 1 hit in 1993 (living on my own) and now a CD of music that's been already released only a few years back makes #6/DVD #1. Yes, freddie has proven his own fans wrong and I enjoy every second of it. Freddie has proven his solo stuff has longevity, and is great music for the ears. Viva Barcelona!....Viva Mr. Mercury!

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Posted: 12 Sep 06, 01:26 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I never doubted that man, i always thought he was God.

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Posted: 12 Sep 06, 01:53 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

The critics know who I'm talking about, the critics are a minority, but they love to bring up the failure of Mr. bad guy. These same people forget to mention the brilliance of barcelona (whole album) the only queen member to have a # 1 single outside of the band, a successful box set and now the success of the very best of. I love being part of the winning team!

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Posted: 12 Sep 06, 19:20 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I love all of Freddie's albums, and I am a huge fan of him. Barsilona is so great because it is different. It's music that Freddie loved, and rock and opera come together brilliantly in this album.


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Posted: 13 Sep 06, 17:37 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Mr Bad Guy was not a big hit. None of the singles from it were big hits. The Barcelona album didn't sell that well, neither did any other than the first single. Even the 1993 re-release of The Great Pretender went largely unnoticed.

Freddie as a solo artist was not successful. Especially as the face and voice of Queen who were hugely successful.

However, none of the above is a criticism. I'm not suggesting it's bad music - I like it - just that it didn't even vaguely hit the heights it could.

And humping out compilation after compilation with multimedia hyping (and bonus stuff to encourage first week sales) hardly disproves his previous sales figures does it?

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Posted: 14 Sep 06, 02:30 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Penetration_Guru wrote:

Mr Bad Guy was not a big hit. None of the singles from it were big hits. The Barcelona album didn't sell that well, neither did any other than the first single. Even the 1993 re-release of The Great Pretender went largely unnoticed.

Freddie as a solo artist was not successful. Especially as the face and voice of Queen who were hugely successful.

However, none of the above is a criticism. I'm not suggesting it's bad music - I like it - just that it didn't even vaguely hit the heights it could.

And humping out compilation after compilation with multimedia hyping (and bonus stuff to encourage first week sales) hardly disproves his previous sales figures does it?


Yes you are correct, but here in the USA, back in 1993, we heard The great pretender & Living on my own on the radio constantly. :) The newer versions anyways.


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Posted: 14 Sep 06, 03:24 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Mr. guru, your excactly the fan I'm talking about. His solo material wasn't successful?...The song bracelona was a top ten hit twice, the great pretender hit #6 on the charts. In my defence was a top ten hit, and plus a # 1 with a remix of living on my own. Now the best of freddie is #2 on the charts. You make it sound like his solo stuff bombed like rogers did. Remember he only had about 2 and half albums worth of solo stuff and he had about a half dozen top ten hits, wasn't successful?

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Posted: 14 Sep 06, 08:31 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

verygood wrote:

I never doubted that man, i always thought he was God.


isnt he? :D

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verygood wrote:

I never doubted that man, i always thought he was God.


isnt he? :D


God is gay?


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Posted: 14 Sep 06, 13:34 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Mike, there are lies, damned lies & statistics. I accept that we can both make the facts suit our position, but comparing his chart positions to that of Queen does not make him look successful.

Plus I would suggest that we should use overall sales figures as opposed to peak chart positions, as we all know that record companies do all they can to secure a high initial chart position (releasing Iron Maiden singles in the quietest week of the year, adding "limited edition" content at point of release, etc etc). So while Barcelona (album) hit the dizzy heights of number 15, it was back out of the chart within 8 weeks. Both Flash Gordon & Hot Space had longer runs on the chart than that, and I'd call anyone that claimed the Flash album was successful a stepford.




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Posted: 16 Sep 06, 04:21 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

mike hunt wrote:

The song bracelona was a top ten hit twice, the great pretender hit #6 on the charts. In my defence was a top ten hit, and plus a # 1 with a remix of living on my own.


The Great Pretender was # 4.

Mike, I'm sorry, but IMD and LOMO were so good after Freddie's death that explains something... When Freddie was alive: MIH was 57, LOMO - 50, LMLTNT - 76, TGB - 80, HCIGO - 95...

Man, Roger's "Future Management" was higher even... But who cares about damned chart positions?!

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Posted: 16 Sep 06, 12:33 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

<b><font color="green">The Fairy King wrote:

LongLostMercury wrote:

verygood wrote:

I never doubted that man, i always thought he was God.


isnt he? :D


God is gay?

Of course. He's even got the lisp! :D


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Posted: 17 Sep 06, 02:18 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I understand Mr. bad guy was a failure, but barcelona wasn't exactly created to be a huge radio hit, have you people ever heard the album?...could you imagine this album having 4 #1 hits on it?..Barcelona was a huge success because finally freddie went back to creating great music without worrying about chart positions.

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Posted: 17 Sep 06, 05:05 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I suppose we all heard the album - it's a Queen board:) I think we all agree that chart positions do not say anything about the quality of a song or album. However, I claim the right to say that I think Mr. Bad Guy was a very disappointing album. You don't need to be narrow minded to not like Mr. Bad Guy. It's just a very uninspired album. Actually, I like the Queen versions of the Mr. Bad Guy songs on MIH better than the original.

On the other hand I love the Barcelona album, it's crossing all borders, it's beautiful music and I never get tired of it. For me there are musical worlds between the two solo albums.


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Posted: 17 Sep 06, 06:12 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

He's never done otherwise. From my point of view, he can't really prove the press wrong. This is because of the way I see it, which is basically that any human or group of humans capable of writing negative Freddie material, are not worth of the title critics. To criticize Freddie's musical ability or so much as any major release of his, is to critisize the most talented of writing creations, not to mention vocals superior to virtually all that is ever known. Hey, I don't particularly like Mike Tyson. The guy's a scumbag of the worst order! That being said, I couldn't honestly pretend to be a boxing journalist if I wrote Tyson out to be lucky, overrated or inferior. I would lose all credibility. Therefore, how could one who knows jack shit about music ever in a million years put any stock, approval or acceptance into Rollling Stone Magazine's top 100 albums of all time list when it's highest Queen ranking could be no higher than 101 because not one album, including 'A Night At The Opera', made the cut??? The answer is, "Freddie proves to be the best, proving most music "critics" are really a joke, unimportant and insignificant to this world's media and culture.



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Posted: 17 Sep 06, 16:25 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

OOh, Mike's starting to twist and turn like a twisty turny thing in a twisty turny place at the most twisty turny time of day.

First he says that "high sales = counteracting criticsm".

I respond with "not high sales"

He responds with "chart positions no measure of artistry"

2/10 Mike. Try and keep logic in the vicinity next time.

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Posted: 17 Sep 06, 18:42 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

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So while Barcelona (album) hit the dizzy heights of number 15, it was back out of the chart within 8 weeks. Both Flash Gordon & Hot Space had longer runs on the chart than that, and I'd call anyone that claimed the Flash album was successful a stepford.




Slightly off topic: a soundtrack album with only 3 tracks with a commonly accepted "song structure", to a film that was only a medium hit in europe and a complete flop in the US. Result: Top 30 in america and Top 10 in the most important markets in europe. One of Queen's biggest single hits in germany at the time. Without being stepford, but under the given cricumstances it was quite successful.


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Posted: 17 Sep 06, 20:56 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

"You see, the thing about critics is that they think that writing a negative review or saying something bad about a well-liked, sucessful, band/person/artist/actor/director/mother-in-law, will make them look smart - because anyone who doesn't agree is obviously not that intelligent, you know"

That's a really unfair generalisation. Well liked and successful artists sometimes write real bad songs or books or make real bad movies or paintings. It's the right of the critic to call a bad book or painting bad. If you are interested in art, literature and music you will know the respected critics in your country and their reviews will help you to avoid spending your hard earned money on inferior products. Of course, there are useless critics in cheap tabloids but you really do not need to read them.


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Posted: 17 Sep 06, 21:06 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

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Yes you are correct, but here in the USA, back in 1993, we heard The great pretender & Living on my own on the radio constantly. :) The newer versions anyways.


What USA did you live in? Not the same one I did, apparently.


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Posted: 17 Sep 06, 22:33 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

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LongLostMercury wrote:

verygood wrote:

I never doubted that man, i always thought he was God.


isnt he? :D


God is gay?

Of course. He's even got the lisp! :D


I could see vivival having a heart attack after reading that...