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Posted: 22 Sep 06, 10:27 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Watching the One Vision recording session video I wondered who could shed some light on the track Brian is playing on piano at the start of the piece? does it have a name? was it ever recorded properly or did it become something else?


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Posted: 22 Sep 06, 10:35 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

That track became "Who wants to live forever" and is included as a bonus track on "A kind of Magic CD called "Forever"


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Posted: 22 Sep 06, 11:05 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Or more correctly, this is probably the track people call Butterfly. Probably somewhere in the archives if it was recorded.

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Posted: 22 Sep 06, 11:22 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I shall listen to Forever tonight, it doesn't sound right but I've not heard that track for a long time, thinking about the track Brian was playing (in my head) I can't make the chord progression fit, but maybe.

Butterfly sounds more like it, I haven't heard of it but I do seem to remember something about it on here some time ago, probably in one of John Stuarts threads.


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Posted: 22 Sep 06, 11:38 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Yes, it IS indeed the piano-think we refer to as 'Butterfly'. Though there is no official word on this, a musical ear (like mine ;-) would indeed suggest that this is could be a very early stage idea that eventually evolved into WWTLF.

Bit like the hidden track on the Another World album... which of course is a piano version/thingy of Business.

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Posted: 22 Sep 06, 12:48 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

uploading to rapidshare for you all know for those who dont have it...

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Posted: 22 Sep 06, 18:38 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Agreed with Jeroen.

This piece has definitely always been known as 'Butterfly' (though I've no idea where that title comes from), but from the first time I ever heard it, it always struck me as being the beginnings of WWTLF. All of its chords are present in WWTLF, in roughly the same order, and the pace and feel of both songs are pretty similar.


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Posted: 24 Sep 06, 08:59 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

young_strat_man wrote:

WhatMustHeThink wrote:

here you go:

http://rapidshare.de/files/34054270/Butterfly.wav.html


I think everyone who has Queen recordings has this track, it is as rare as the 5.1 mixes on the fan mix thread.


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Posted: 24 Sep 06, 09:57 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I don't see how anyone could think this had anything to do with WWTLF. You can hear him humming a melody that is clearly nowhere near that song. In fact, to follow the same logic as what has been suggested here, I could say it was the begginings of Brian reaching out to do a reworking of GSTQ!!!! Totally ridiculous and idiotic, and based somewhere in la-la land.

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Posted: 24 Sep 06, 10:06 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Haven't read this thread yet but the first replies made me laugh my arse off.

This stuff isn't WWTLF. At all. It's just... different.


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Posted: 24 Sep 06, 12:27 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

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I don't see how anyone could think this had anything to do with WWTLF. You can hear him humming a melody that is clearly nowhere near that song. In fact, to follow the same logic as what has been suggested here, I could say it was the begginings of Brian reaching out to do a reworking of GSTQ!!!! Totally ridiculous and idiotic, and based somewhere in la-la land.

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It's not in the humming, it's in the piano!
And nobody said it IS WWTLF! It SOUNDS like a very early improv that MIGHT have evolved later on into WWTLF.

Ridiciolous and idiotic?
Yeah, when you only listen to vocals maybe. I cannot blame you. You probably wouldn't hear the difference between an A chord and Am chord either. I know it's hard for non-musicians to listen to a piece of music in another way, but if you call this 'ridiciolous and idiotic' Obviously you are no musician and have no musical hearing...

Because, this assumption is not just from lalalala land, there is very serious reasons to assume that this has something in any way to do with said song!

the "what is this thing..." until "slips away from us..." is in that piece EXACTLY. All the chords, in the same tempo, in the same key, in the same order.



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Posted: 24 Sep 06, 12:58 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

jeroen wrote:

Adam Baboolal wrote:

I don't see how anyone could think this had anything to do with WWTLF. You can hear him humming a melody that is clearly nowhere near that song. In fact, to follow the same logic as what has been suggested here, I could say it was the begginings of Brian reaching out to do a reworking of GSTQ!!!! Totally ridiculous and idiotic, and based somewhere in la-la land.

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It's not in the humming, it's in the piano!
And nobody said it IS WWTLF! It SOUNDS like a very early improv that MIGHT have evolved later on into WWTLF.

Ridiciolous and idiotic?
Yeah, when you only listen to vocals maybe. I cannot blame you. You probably wouldn't hear the difference between an A chord and Am chord either. I know it's hard for non-musicians to listen to a piece of music in another way, but if you call this 'ridiciolous and idiotic' Obviously you are no musician and have no musical hearing...

Because, this assumption is not just from lalalala land, there is very serious reasons to assume that this has something in any way to do with said song!

the "what is this thing..." until "slips away from us..." is in that piece EXACTLY. All the chords, in the same tempo, in the same key, in the same order.


Wow, what an idiot..! lol

Did you read what I had written? Not well, it seems.

1st - the comment about lala land, etc. etc. was on how I was leading the reader with my GSTQ madness. It wasn't aimed at anyone you ninny! It was a contrived example.
And I make no assumptions as I HATE assumptions in our crazy world. I hate them with a passion, I swear!

2nd - You made the biggest assumption. That I wasn't a musician. Guess again. Not only that, but I also lend musical/engineering comments here when I can.


Now, back to logical discussion here, rather than assumptions. Didn't Brian have WWTLF written in a car ride back from watching some edited scenes of the Highlander film? So, surely, by the time they hit the studio, the idea is not going to be from this improv.

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Posted: 24 Sep 06, 13:10 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

"Butterfly" is the official name of the track, according to Brian. The story of it was told by Brian 4-6 years ago either in a fan club magazine or a Q/A session through Queenonline or brianmaynews.com, I cant remember.

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Posted: 24 Sep 06, 13:10 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Hmmm... maybe some people have a melody in their head for a long time before they actually find a moment to properly use it in a song?
Logical? Happens all the time!

Besides: yes, that is indeed what Brian said.
The footage with Butterly come from 1985.
Brian also said he wrote it after seeing a VERY ROUGH cut of the movie. Which was WAY before the film was done and by far not even all scenes were filmed.

Could it be this was as early as 1985?
Surely also LOGICAL, right?

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Then: If I misenterpreted the intention of your post, I am sorry. I probably missed something. Or it was because English is not my native language. I'm also sorry If I used the word 'assumption' wrongly for the same reason.
The fact that your 'rediciolous and idiotic' sentence starts on a new line, didn't make your post any clearer either.

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BUT: you also missed something my words. Because I know you for a long time and I KNOW you do studio-work. But if you are indeed in music, you should have also noted the quite remarkable similarities between Butterfly and WWTLF and NOT start about the humming.



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Posted: 24 Sep 06, 13:33 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

jeroen wrote:

H Or it was because English is not my native language. I'm also sorry If I used the word 'assumption' wrongly for the same reason.
The fact that your 'rediciolous and idiotic' sentence starts on a new line, didn't make your post any clearer either.

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But if you are indeed in music, you should have also noted the quite remarkable similarities between Butterfly and WWTLF and NOT start about the humming.


Just because it starts on a new line means nothing. Since it follows the silly example I was making, it belongs to that part. I think your former explanation explains why you thought it was a real comment.

Just because I am a musician doesn't mean I see things the same way. We all continue to have our own thoughts on these matters. I'm sure I've heard things in earlier songs that could've led to others they've done. But I don't link that with the earlier song. Just a writing style. So, style-wise, I could think that it's just Brian being Brian at the piano. Doesn't have to lead to anything, does it?

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Posted: 24 Sep 06, 14:30 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Okay - we are just taking this too serious... ;-)

You're right - Brian does indeed have his 'favourite chords' when he's behind the piano.

But I found the sequences in this one too pretty remarkably close to what happens in a song called WWTLF that must have been written not too long after this.

I never meant to say "this is an early version of WWTLF". I'm just suggesting that it is well possible that Brian was fooling around with the same idea/sequences when he eventually wrote WWTLF.

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Ah, right: one other thing on a note from a previous post: Brian wrote the words to WWTLF sfter the Highlander preview, right? Maybe the music was already there long before, but still had to find words and a meaning? :-)

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Posted: 24 Sep 06, 14:47 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

magicalfreddiemercury wrote:

young_strat_man wrote:

WhatMustHeThink wrote:

here you go:

http://rapidshare.de/files/34054270/Butterfly.wav.html


I think everyone who has Queen recordings has this track, it is as rare as the 5.1 mixes on the fan mix thread.


Not everyone. Thanks WhatMustHeThink.


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Young_Strat_man, I was just being nice and considerate. You may want to try doing the same, you stupid fucker.

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Posted: 25 Sep 06, 03:54 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I think the lesson here is not to jump down peoples throat when they are trying to pass a sensible opinion. Adam you do have the knack of shouting down everyone else based on the fact that you disagree with there opinion!

Peace mate... remember


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Posted: 25 Sep 06, 06:52 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Togg wrote:

I think the lesson here is not to jump down peoples throat when they are trying to pass a sensible opinion. Adam you do have the knack of shouting down everyone else based on the fact that you disagree with there opinion!

Peace mate... remember


Jeez... I find this all laughable because the only place where I could be considered jumping down peoples throats is on MY OWN example. I insulted no-one! Nothing to do with anyone's opinion at all. I can laugh at my own example, yet others take it so seriously and personal. To the point they feel it's actually about them! Weird.


And my opinion was based on the FACT that there is a story I've read where Brian wrote the idea on the way back from the early screening of Highlander, I mentioned. So, that's why I said this Butterfly demo, while sounding similar here and there, is merely Brian playing as he does and not an idea that became WWTLF. This track was just him putting an idea down on tape, hence the humming along at the same time.

It's like the IABD argument that erupted where plenty of folk thought it was from 1991 recordings. But I disagreed and pinpointed the time of the Game sessions. All I'm saying is that I'd like some leniancy in what I think on this one. I don't need to be right, I just need to know I'm getting a logical progression out there for this one. Not guessing, in other words.

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