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Posted: 23 Sep 06, 00:48 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Great king rat first take
http://rapidshare.de/files/34111333/Great_King_rat__first_take_.wma

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Posted: 23 Sep 06, 01:36 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

WOW! Thanks a lot!
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Posted: 23 Sep 06, 03:52 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

thanks. but yet again featuring the guest harmonies of greg brooks?


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Posted: 23 Sep 06, 04:53 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

thanks, thats amazing, but where do you take these demos ?!?!

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Posted: 23 Sep 06, 04:55 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Thank-you! Very interesting to hear!


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Posted: 23 Sep 06, 05:24 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Hmm... is there something wrong with this one or am I beying a dummy again?
File downloads but when playing it stoppes about halfway through the track...

Tried downloading it a couple of time and kept having the same problem... :-(

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Posted: 23 Sep 06, 05:51 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

This is great to hear - thank you. And Jeroen, you're right, despite the file thinking it is 3.37, it ends just before 1.29.

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Posted: 23 Sep 06, 08:39 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Thank you. Wonderful version. But it's a shame that is's overdubbed.

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Posted: 23 Sep 06, 09:34 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Why is it all swamped in reverb?

Nice find though!


EDIT: Ah... this is recorded in a hall!

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Posted: 23 Sep 06, 09:55 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

This is actually 'Take 4' - NOT 'Take 1'.

GB IQFC convention October 16th 2004, Vlaardingen, Holland: Unreleased Great King Rat (Vocal demo Version). Recorded early 1973. Freddie counts intro, different melody and lyrics and no electric guitars.
GB IQFC convention Prestatyn 2005: Unreleased Great King Rat Early demo: Take 4



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Posted: 23 Sep 06, 10:01 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Thanks for sharing.

And thanks for the info, jonh S Stuart.
Why did Freddie count to 10?

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Posted: 23 Sep 06, 10:03 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

The count was possibly the time left for the guitar intro. So was the track we hear on the alvum recorded live like that with just bass, drums, acoustic and freddie, then obviously the electric parts and solo was recorded over the top.


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Posted: 23 Sep 06, 10:43 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Hi Raptor711

can we have an mp3 192 (or up) WORKING version ?

thank you so much !!!!!

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Posted: 23 Sep 06, 11:33 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Bobby_brown wrote:


Why did Freddie count to 10?


Because he only had five fingers on each hand.
So it was a good thing that he didn't have his hands in his pockets at the time! ;-)


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Posted: 23 Sep 06, 12:12 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

John S Stuart wrote:

This is actually 'Take 4' - NOT 'Take 1'.

GB IQFC convention October 16th 2004, Vlaardingen, Holland: Unreleased Great King Rat (Vocal demo Version). Recorded early 1973. Freddie counts intro, different melody and lyrics and no electric guitars.
GB IQFC convention Prestatyn 2005: Unreleased Great King Rat Early demo: Take 4

I'm afraid not, John.
This one is different to Take 4 - GB IQFC Maassluis, Holland 2005.

Easily comparable: That one is announced by engineer as take 4, no Freddie counting, LOTS of additional guitars. That one is clearly a guitar-take.

So what this download says; that this is a VOCAL take, makes sence realy.
On this one you can clearly here the basic track is there. Bass, guitar, drums. Freddie's doing vocals and on this take their are clearly in a very early stage. Very different.

Note then that on 'take 4 - the guitar take', the vocals are quite similar to the eventual album version. That's the stage where Brian is overdubbing or doubling his guitar parts and adding 'noise'. Evidently later on in the proces.


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Posted: 23 Sep 06, 12:27 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

jeroen wrote:

John S Stuart wrote:

This is actually 'Take 4' - NOT 'Take 1'.

GB IQFC convention October 16th 2004, Vlaardingen, Holland: Unreleased Great King Rat (Vocal demo Version). Recorded early 1973. Freddie counts intro, different melody and lyrics and no electric guitars.
GB IQFC convention Prestatyn 2005: Unreleased Great King Rat Early demo: Take 4

I'm afraid not, John.
This one is different to Take 4 - GB QOIFCD Vlaardingen, Holland 2005.

Easily comparable: That one is announced by engineer as take 4, no Freddie counting, LOTS of additional guitars. That one is clearly a guitar-take.

So what this download says; that this is a VOCAL take, makes sence realy.
On this one you can clearly here the basic track is there. Bass, guitar, drums. Freddie's doing vocals and on this take their are clearly in a very early stage. Very different.

Note then that on 'take 4 - the guitar take', the vocals are quite similar to the eventual album version. That's the stage where Brian is overdubbing or doubling his guitar parts and adding 'noise'. Evidently later on in the proces.


where do you take this information? :O i mean where did you got these demos ?

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Posted: 23 Sep 06, 12:31 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Greg Brooks (Queen's "ARRchivist") plays these kind of things at the Dutch and UK Queen fanclub conventions.

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Posted: 23 Sep 06, 14:14 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

jeroen wrote:

John S Stuart wrote:

This is actually 'Take 4' - NOT 'Take 1'.

GB IQFC convention October 16th 2004, Vlaardingen, Holland: Unreleased Great King Rat (Vocal demo Version). Recorded early 1973. Freddie counts intro, different melody and lyrics and no electric guitars.
GB IQFC convention Prestatyn 2005: Unreleased Great King Rat Early demo: Take 4

I'm afraid not, John.
This one is different to Take 4 - GB IQFC Maassluis, Holland 2005.

Easily comparable: That one is announced by engineer as take 4, no Freddie counting, LOTS of additional guitars. That one is clearly a guitar-take.

So what this download says; that this is a VOCAL take, makes sence realy.
On this one you can clearly here the basic track is there. Bass, guitar, drums. Freddie's doing vocals and on this take their are clearly in a very early stage. Very different.

Note then that on 'take 4 - the guitar take', the vocals are quite similar to the eventual album version. That's the stage where Brian is overdubbing or doubling his guitar parts and adding 'noise'. Evidently later on in the proces.


Fair point - but as GB has 'aired' only one 'Great King Rat' version or take during his travels - and not two - (this clearly comes from a convention 'broadcast') - and as the version 'aired' was 'announced' as 'Take 4', wherein does the info that this is indeed a different take come from?

Ofcourse, he does visit this site himself - so perhaps he could set the record straight.




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Posted: 23 Sep 06, 15:48 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Ugh... if these recordings continue to be made available publically, then they'll stop playing them at conventions altogether. Why else do you think it has Greg's spoken disclaimer every 15-20 seconds?

But this is a cool version of the song. The song is very undeveloped, as is Freddie as a vocalist overall. Very interesting listen. And it's definitely different from take 4 that was played in 2005. In take 4, the vocal melodies have been figured out, and there is Brian's second (live?) guitar track in addition to the guide track.


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Posted: 23 Sep 06, 16:39 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

John S Stuart wrote:

Bobby_brown wrote:


Why did Freddie count to 10?


Because he only had five fingers on each hand.
So it was a good thing that he didn't have his hands in his pockets at the time! ;-)


This is one of those questions that wasn´t meant for an answer, but i have to admit that the way i writed it seems like i was really waiting for one.

I was just thinking why did Freddie count to ten, because normally musicians tend to count to four!
I assumed that no one new the answer!!

But i enjoyed you theory : ))

Take care