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Posted: 09 Oct 06, 10:47 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Dear Queen fans everywhere,

Today is a very special day for all us Queen Mexican fans since we are celebrating the 25th Anniversary of the concerts Queen gave in our country.

Queen first palyed live in Mèxico on 9th October 1981 in the Estadio Universitario in Monterrey.

Later on, Queen played live both on Saturday 17th and Sunday 18th October 1981, in the Estadio Ignacio Zaragoza in Puebla.

It was the first foreign rock group to give a live massive show in our country which made people travel from the different states in order to attend such great concerts.

Queen in Mèxico 25th anniversary:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2LsnMWUb_JM

http://www.queenenmexico.com/imagenes/puebla81/index.htm

It is an unforgettable memory which still remains in many of us.

Best wishes,

QUEEN FAN CLUB MEXICO
http://www.queenenmexico.com
Francisco Arellano



Hola fans de Queen :

Hoy es un dìa muy especial para todos los fans de Queen en Mèxico, ya que celebramos el 25 aniversario de los conciertos de Queen en nuestro paìs.

Un 9 de octubre como hoy, pero de 1981, Queen se presenta en concierto en Monterrey, en el Estadio Universitario.

Los dìas sabado 17 y domingo 18 de octubre del mismo año, nos deleitaron con su magnìfico espectàculo en el estadio Ignacio Zaragoza en la ciudad de Puebla.

Se tratò del primer grupo extranjero en presentar un espectàculo masivo en nuestro paìs, mismo que desplazara una gran cantidad de gente hacia estos estados.

Queen en Mèxico 25 aniversario:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2LsnMWUb_JM
http://www.queenenmexico.com/imagenes/puebla81/index.htm

Un recuerdo inolvidable cuya huella aùn permanece en muchos de nosotros.

Saludos cordiales.

QUEEN FAN CLUB México
http://www.queenenmexico.com
Francisco Arellano




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Posted: 09 Oct 06, 12:10 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Queen is also celebrating 25 years of being ripped off by the Mexican concert promoters.


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Posted: 09 Oct 06, 12:20 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Hello:

By the way at that time there were no Mexican promoters, the one involved in the Queen concerts was the Argentinian Josè Rota, who asked for help to a few Mexican people from some radio stations to get involved with the promotion.These people agreed to do so , and they did it for free.


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Posted: 09 Oct 06, 14:25 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Mi papá fue al concierto en Monterrey (yo tenía como mes y medio de edad) y estuvo genial. Deberían hacer algún tipo de festejo para conmemorarlo aquí en Monterrey, pero tengo entendido que los eventos del Club de Fans de México son en la Ciudad de México. Ya me he perdido más de uno, lamentablemente, pero de momento no me ha sido posible asistir.

Alguien debería aclarar lo que sucedió en aquellos conciertos, porque creo que los mexicanos tenemos muy mala fama en estos sitios. :S

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Posted: 09 Oct 06, 15:03 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Mr.Jingles wrote:

Queen is also celebrating 25 years of being ripped off by the Mexican concert promoters.


Unfortunately mexicans have a bad image because of that. However you must remember that there are great Mexican Queen fans also. So, don´t judges an entire country just because the actions of a few. In that case, I can say that all the germans are murderers, when obviously we know that they´re not.


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Posted: 09 Oct 06, 15:12 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

First it was the 3 second Puebla video, now we have 17 seconds Monterrey video. I´ve got tears in my eyes with such generosity from the Mexican Queen Fan Club!

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Posted: 09 Oct 06, 16:15 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Hello,

Today a executive from a famous tv network in Mèxico was interviewed on a radio station.

We e-mailed him a question wondering if he really had a video from the Queen concerts in Mèxico as it has been rumoured for so many years.

He replied he does not have any Queen live in Mexico video.He added that there is not an official recording of these concerts.

So I think we must take into account that at that time it was not easy for people to do such recordings as it is now.Therefore the few attendants who had the opportunity to film it only have a few chunks , not the complete concerts.


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Posted: 09 Oct 06, 21:55 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Some fan club you are. The "club" is the people who are running it. Let us at least *see* the pictures. You had to cover it with your stupid logos, as if you legally own them, but in reality, they were were taken by audience members... just like the videos. If you were a true fan club, then you'd give the footage away to your members since you don't legally own it. It's audience footage, not professionally shot footage owned by yourselves or Queen. Some other selfish prick from your petty fan club shared 3 seconds of horribly compressed footage from Puebla. Twenty seconds of footage from two of you isn't sharing, or "generosity". It's called taunting. We know you have the footage. Congratulations. Now stop with the "look what we have and what you can't have!!!!!" Share it all, or leave us alone. You don't need to prove to us that you're hoarding the footage for your selfish selves.



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Posted: 09 Oct 06, 22:23 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Hoarding???? I thought that collectors were not forced to share their hard work. Are you going to demand that Drammen 82, Yamaguchi 79, Face It Alone and Assassin be immediately shared as well?

Of course not ... and you should not have a double standard by demanding (in an abusive and insulting post) that these Mexican concert videos be shared.


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Posted: 09 Oct 06, 23:02 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

The difference is that the owners of the things you mentioned aren't publically taunting people with samples of what they refuse to share. I've been aware of the Puebla video for years. It wasn't until the samples showed up from Mexican fan club representatives that it got under my skin.



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Posted: 09 Oct 06, 23:15 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

There have been plenty of taunts for Face It Alone and Assassin. I remember snippets of studio version The Call were shared , but the full version was not. Besides, sharing snippets does not necessarily qualify as taunting in my opinion. Sharing of a snippet is just providing proof that something exists.


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Posted: 09 Oct 06, 23:17 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Mike Van wrote:

Sharing of a snippet is just providing proof that something exists.


Yes, but it doesn't prove that it exists in full. We differ in opinion, but that's okay. My interest lies elsewhere now:

This video appears to be from the first night in Puebla, 10-17-81. The video quality doesn't look blurry, so they surely have a low generation copy. Look at how clear the lights and stage look (aside from the digital compression of course). But what interests me most is the audio.

The audio is from the exact same source as the best-sounding audio bootleg that was shared here a few months ago in mp3 format, which could mean that the video is 88 minutes long. But it's hard to see if the footage is actually properly synched to the audio, since these particular points of the video don't show Freddie or the band clearly - which was undoubtedly intentional. This presents us with some more questions.

The audio bootleg has cuts between the songs, and it sounds like a tape recorder being flipped on and off, not a video camera. The sound quality of the mp3s is also much better than on the video. Let's note that when you copy videos, in most cases, the picture quality decreases before the audio does. And since the picture is of a low generation copy, and the audio sounds something like a 7th or 8th gen, then that presents the possibility that the video is silent (or has really bad sound) and that someone synched the audio from the common audio source to make it sound okay. And who knows, it the video and audio are from different sources, why couldn't the video be from the second night?

I have no doubt that these Mexicans would go through such effort to leave us with this kind of uncertainty and questioning about how much footage is out there and how good it is. They've been playing games with us for years, and the games are clearly continuing.



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Posted: 10 Oct 06, 04:21 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

On English and Dutch FC conventions they also show videos they do not share with the general public and other websites have watermarks, too. It's not a Mexican issue. A while ago there was a fight between Mexican fans in the Sharing forum, so I do not believe that "these Mexicans" are trying to play some games with the rest of the world, they are just very different fans from one country. Mexican fans have always been nothing but friendly and polite to me and I don't feel good about the generalisation in your post, Bob. A Dutch Queen fan and previous hub owner shares 20 sec bits here on Queenzone and I never heard anybody say that "these Dutches" play games with "us".




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Posted: 10 Oct 06, 09:28 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I have to agree with Barbara Bob....!


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YourValentine wrote:

On English and Dutch FC conventions they also show videos they do not share with the general public and other websites have watermarks, too. It's not a Mexican issue. A while ago there was a fight between Mexican fans in the Sharing forum, so I do not believe that "these Mexicans" are trying to play some games with the rest of the world, they are just very different fans from one country. Mexican fans have always been nothing but friendly and polite to me and I don't feel good about the generalisation in your post, Bob. A Dutch Queen fan and previous hub owner shares 20 sec bits here on Queenzone and I never heard anybody say that "these Dutches" play games with "us"


When I refer to them as Mexicans, I don't mean it in a derogatory way. My apologies if it came across this way. But I feel the need to distinguish them because countless people from Mexico have been teasing collectors about the Mexico videos for years, more than anything/anyone else. They've emailed me dozens of times with pictures, samples, and promises to send cds/dvds that obviously won't be sent. It has become tiresome. It's when the fan club goes public with this kind of bogus "generosity" that I finally get fed up and feel the need to say my two cents.

I feel this way towards anyone who teases with samples, never mind watermarking and purposely degrading the quality. If someone doesn't want to share something, then they don't have to. But if they want to tell us about their recording, then tell us how much exists, and share it all, or not at all. Don't hold some of it back. It only makes people want more, and that's an incredibly selfish thing to do to people, especially when it's something you don't legally own. I honestly am dumbfounded that anyone can see this kind of behaviour as being generous.

How do you think people would have felt if I cut out songs from my Chicago shares? Would they have been grateful for the few songs they got, or would they ask for the rest of the songs, since they know I have them?

I know there are tonnes of people who agree with me, but they won't speak up, because they are hanging onto hope that more will be shared - and that speaking up may diminish those chances. That's why so few people speak up about anything on this website. I know for a fact that I'm speaking for many, many people. Maybe someone else should start doing it, because I have to take the heat every time.



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Posted: 10 Oct 06, 11:57 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

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I don't speak for anybody, only myself. And I really do not understand why being Mexican has anything to do with the behaviour of one or two collectors. You made it sound like all Mexican fans behave in the same way when in fact you have an issue with the owner of the Puebla video.

I have not heard about "countless" people from Mexico who "taunted" other fans, I know about 5 or 6 Mexican fans from the hub and one (Wiley) in person and I can only say that they are all relaxed and friendly. Please remember that you insult a lot of Mexican fans when you judge them all alike.


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Posted: 10 Oct 06, 13:22 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I am not insulting all Mexican fans. Did you not read my post? I said it's people from Mexico who have done more taunting about these videos than any other video, more than anyone from any other country. I don't know how that translates to "all fans from Mexico are horrible people". I certainly didn't say that, so please don't put words in my mouth. I have spoken with nice Mexican fans myself, but the negative experiences by far outweigh the positive ones.

Since your email address isn't public, they don't have the means to contact you, and time and time again fill your inbox with pictures, samples, and false promises. Sometimes they add you to their MSN, and hook you up with a bunch of their Mexican friends, one or two of whom "knows someone" who has the complete video. Pictures are sent to establish "friendship". Negotiation ensues. Sometimes a deal is made, and they promise to send their package first. But then they disappear off the face of the earth (coincidentally, of course). I have never encountered this kind of thing with fans outside of Mexico. You haven't been through this, but I have. Consider that before you automatically stand up for people whom you haven't dealt with yourself.

I and many others have gone through this stuff for years. It's up to you if you want to believe me or not. I could use some support here from others, but they won't join me and speak up, because they know that the more honest we are about the way people from Mexico have been treating us over these videos, the less chances are that we'll see more footage. But I still speak up anyway because these things need to be said.



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Posted: 10 Oct 06, 14:08 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Well, it's true that I don't use MSN and from what I hear that's a good thing. I am sorry about your bad experiences, I have only good ones.


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YourValentine wrote:

Well, it's true that I don't use MSN and from what I hear that's a good thing.


Haha, *now* you tell me. :)



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