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Posted: 10 Oct 06, 20:05 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Does anyone know which vocal mics were used (by Freddie) on Sheer Heart Attack and/or A Night at the Opera?

I can hazard a guess, so please no guesses. I've seen the picture of them on the ANATO DVD showing the vocal booth with all three singers inside and a mic (which looks like a neumann...U87 or 67), but it's covered by the wind cover so I can't tell which model it is. Aside from that, it won't tell me necessarily which mic was used for lead vocals, either.

Any data?




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Posted: 10 Oct 06, 22:39 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Shure 565D. Of course they'd use different things every now and then but vocal microphones were almost always Shure, from the very beginning.


John hated HS. Fred's fave singer was not PR. Roger didn't compose 'Innuendo.' Witness testimonies are often inaccurate. Scotland's not in England. 'Bo Rhap' hasn't got 180 voices.
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Posted: 10 Oct 06, 23:25 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Thanks, Sebastian.

What is the source of that info?


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Posted: 10 Oct 06, 23:29 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Peter Hince


John hated HS. Fred's fave singer was not PR. Roger didn't compose 'Innuendo.' Witness testimonies are often inaccurate. Scotland's not in England. 'Bo Rhap' hasn't got 180 voices.
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Posted: 10 Oct 06, 23:36 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

It is clear that is the vocal used on stage, but are you sure (no pun intended) it was used in studio as well?


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Posted: 11 Oct 06, 04:45 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

You know, I recently heard from someone (can't remember where now) and they said that Freddie had a Shure SM57 in the studio at times. Now, I've never passed on this kind of information before because I was never confident that it was true. How could it, I thought. But apparently he had been there when the red light went on! But I'm still in doubt about it all. Anyone else chime in here?

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Posted: 11 Oct 06, 04:57 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I guess anything's possible, I know or at least I heard that he had an SM58 in Silver that was in a wooden presentation case that he took everywhere for a time, but that was I assumed his live vocal mic.

At the end of the day he may well have done many guide vocals with it but surely they would have been re-done with something else on the final take?


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Posted: 11 Oct 06, 07:07 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Mind you, it's always good to remember that Bono records with an SM58.

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Posted: 11 Oct 06, 08:49 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

THere certainly was a 57 or 58 set up as a guide vocal mic. I *think* RTB mentions this in the article where he discusses recording ANATO.

I'm stil skeptical that the shure mic was used for tracking lead vocals... it's certainly not impossible, but there's more detail in the pickup than I would normally associate with a shure dynamic.


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Posted: 11 Oct 06, 12:30 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Just to muddy the water a little here. I recorded a lead vocalist back in May with a Rode NT2A and Shure Beta58 mic at the same time. On one of the recent tracks I was mixing, I chose the Shure over the NT2A as it worked better in the mix of this particular track. So, I think it's certainly possible either way. Sometimes, it could be just what the track wants and fits better.

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Posted: 11 Oct 06, 13:36 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Adam Baboolal wrote:

Mind you, it's always good to remember that Bono records with an SM58.


Exclusively? Hey I love my 58, and my Beta 57, but in the studio isn't a Nuemann or equivalent more preferred?



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Posted: 11 Oct 06, 15:19 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

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Exclusively? Hey I love my 58, and my Beta 57, but in the studio isn't a Nuemann or equivalent more preferred?



It really depends totally on the voice and the track.


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Posted: 11 Oct 06, 15:21 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Really, you'll find that there are singers that like the way they sound through a particular mic or piece of gear, etc. etc. Bono's famous for recording with the 58. I'm sure he's tried other stuff, but he sure loves that mic! And yes, it's really down to the situation like Tenchij says.

Some people just don't like the way they sound through certain mics, which is good that they recognise that. I've recently found that I can get a great full-on vocal (for myself, that is) with a beta58. Yet, through some condensers, I don't like the sound. However, because of my studio knowledge, I now record with more than one mic exclusively because, it gives me the choice for mixing and getting just the right sound without messing with things like EQ or other processing.

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Posted: 11 Oct 06, 15:29 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Well then I don't feel so bad thinking this Beta 57 is the best mic I've ever used on my voice. I need that extra "oomph" the 57 gives you opposed to the 58.

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Posted: 11 Oct 06, 19:07 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

bono sucks big time

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Posted: 12 Oct 06, 03:57 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

It is certainly true that you can get a good studio sound from a 58, however the simple reason people don't use them is they don't have the range in the high end that a condenser mic has, you will also suffer from what is known as the proximity effect if you get to close as the mic will artificially boost the mid range.

If you have a harsh voice this can sound a little too aggressive, and a condenser will smooth things out, likewise if you have a soft voice you can find it needs a mic that can really pick out the subtle elements in your vocal track and again a condenser is the way to go.

Very very few professionals would use a 58 in the studio for anything other than a guide vocal, there are simply too many other better mics to choose from.

But everyone will sound different through different mics, so it's always worth trying several.

Using one or more at a time is common practice even on instruments to see what you get with say a valve mic against a normal condenser, or dynamic.


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Posted: 12 Oct 06, 05:24 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Togg wrote:

...you will also suffer from what is known as the proximity effect if you get to close as the mic will artificially boost the mid range.


But that happens with both dynamics AND condensers. And the proximity effect is a great tool, live or when recording.

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Posted: 12 Oct 06, 09:39 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Yes but it's more pronounced on a mic like a 58


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Posted: 12 Oct 06, 10:03 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Togg, most condensers (and ribbons)have as great a proximity effect as any 58 has. It's just that in general you won't get within 1" of the capsule with a condenser so it isn't as much a problem.

Compare that to another classic dynamic, the EV RE20 which has pretty much NO proximity effect... and it's a dynamic mic!

Also, a condenser does (usually) have the extended high end as you say, but it doesn't always serve to 'smooth things out'. Often, it adds a pretty scratchy edge depending upon how bright the mic is. Many sources are greatly smoothed over by a dynamic mic like the 58.




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Posted: 12 Oct 06, 11:21 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Ive heard rumors... U87, SM57, SM58, AKG 414.

Its all Horses for courses guys.. you can argue all day about the pros and cons of proximity effect frequency responce.. and the price of fish in Japan.. but what it boils down to is.... What is working for the track and what is not.