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Posted: 17 Oct 06, 00:02 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Ok, this may be a really stupid question, and I feel like a total idiot having to ask it. But who IS Greg Brooks? When I'm reading through the forum I see loads of posts about him, but who is he?
I'm sorry for sounding like an idiot about this, but I'd really like to know. Thanks


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Posted: 17 Oct 06, 00:38 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Greg is employed by Queen as their official archivist. About 10 years ago, he wrote a book called "Queen Live - A Concert Docmentary", and although there were hundreds of errors, the book was still pretty impressive, as it was created before the Internet age. This is what landed him his job, as Queen were surely impressed, errors aside.

However, he released an "updated" version of the book last year, and most of the errors are still there, including a whole bunch of new errors. He made very little effort to offer much new information about Queen concerts, even though he supposedly has access to all of the recordings and information in Queen's vaults. Fans constantly ask him about what's in Queen's vaults, but it's becoming increasingly evident that he has been told not to reveal anything. One has to wonder what his job actually entails, as it seems pretty clear that he hasn't really done anything of any value, considering his position.

www.google.com

"Greg Brooks Queen"

Haha... look at the third result!



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Posted: 17 Oct 06, 06:36 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I heard that he was never even first choice for the job. It was initailly offered to Jim Jenkins who co wrote 'As it Began' - a great book I might add.


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Posted: 17 Oct 06, 11:10 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I think any of the fans that are truly knowledgeable (and who also care enough to do something) should write to Greg (with a copy to Brian and/or QPL) a "nice" letter, and offer their services for editing of text, identification of pictures, correction of errors, etc.

It wouldn't hurt to have a few experts helping for quality control regardless of who gets his name on a book (or whatever the project is). I would start by sending a list of the errors from Greg's book to Greg. Or has this already been done?

It seems that with today's electronic communication, lots of good could come of this type of collaboration with the fans (and the collectors).

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Posted: 17 Oct 06, 12:20 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Donna13 wrote:

I would start by sending a list of the errors from Greg's book to Greg. Or has this already been done?


Yes, it has. When he was "writing" his second book, he asked people to submit to him corrections from the first book. I did that, and surely many others did as well. But it seems we were mostly ignored, since most of the errors from his first book weren't fixed. Half of the 70s setlists are still wrong, even though I sent him all the corrected ones. I spent weeks listing every little thing that was wrong with the book, and he only used a couple dozen or so. In many cases, he didn't bother to paraphrase, and copied my observations word for word.

He has a long list of people to thank in the acknowledgements, so when you consider how few changes there were from the first book to the second book, it makes you wonder how much work Greg actually did on this book himself (hence the quotation marks above on the word "writing"). In addition, Greg asked me to compile the information from all sources for the book, which obviously would have been a hefty job. I asked him how much it would pay, and he said there was no budget for this kind of thing. So I thought... wow, he'll get someone else to do all the work, and he'll sit on his arse and bring in all the royalties. I think not! I politely declined. I wonder if Brian May is aware of this.

This has led me to begin writing my own book. I now regret being part of Greg's book, because if my book gets published and sold, I can only imagine how some people will criticize me for "copying" Greg's work, when in reality, it's my words in his book. There will also be those who will say certain things in my book must be wrong, because my words disagree with Greg's words, which to them is the definitive work on Queen live, just because of his title. It's so frustrating to even think about it. But it won't stop me!



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Posted: 17 Oct 06, 14:38 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

pow wow wrote:

I heard that he was never even first choice for the job. It was initailly offered to Jim Jenkins who co wrote 'As it Began' - a great book I might add.



Y'know - and this is ONLY my opinion - I thought that while As It Began was a mine of excellent information, it was one of the worst pieces of prose I've ever seen...

Still enjoyed it though...

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Posted: 17 Oct 06, 14:53 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I am Greg Brooks, and I am the expert in all things Queen.

And you? ARE NOT!

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Posted: 17 Oct 06, 15:04 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Well, Bob, you can sure make it 'more' definate when you include QPR...
Maybe even solo-tours!
At least there is an oppertunity to make it even more thorough then anything out there in THAT sence ;-)

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Posted: 17 Oct 06, 17:05 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Woah.. wait a sec...
So Is our spammer "Queen Archivist" the real Greg Brooks or is he a faker?


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Posted: 17 Oct 06, 17:26 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

"In addition, Greg asked me to compile the information from all sources for the book, which obviously would have been a hefty job. I asked him how much it would pay, and he said there was no budget for this kind of thing. So I thought... wow, he'll get someone else to do all the work, and he'll sit on his arse and bring in all the royalties. I think not! I politely declined. I wonder if Brian May is aware of this."

I think this is a very unfortunate situation. I mean, I wish there was a way you could be paid for the stuff you gave him already. With GB now having access to QPL and "the vault" and Brian's things, and you having your information and collection, it would be good if the two of you could "team up".

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Posted: 17 Oct 06, 22:18 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Thanks for all the help, guys :-) Now I can actually sleep at night...


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Posted: 17 Oct 06, 22:48 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

<font color=teal>Barzini<h6>Cookie<h6> wrote:

Woah.. wait a sec...
So Is our spammer "Queen Archivist" the real Greg Brooks or is he a faker?


He is the real thing. I think he got pulled into the conversations here based on something that he found out that someone was saying about him here. I forget - but it was something like that. It is all there if you search for all his posts and read the first several.

Now, The Fake Greg Brooks is there just to take up the slack. And answer questions that the Real Greg Brooks is too busy to answer. He is like the Santa Claus at the mall. Except that he is still in training, and he takes off too much time to watch football. So, we can not be sure of anything he says - too much spicy food, really.

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Posted: 17 Oct 06, 23:05 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Donna13 wrote:

<font color=teal>Barzini<h6>Cookie<h6> wrote:

Woah.. wait a sec...
So Is our spammer "Queen Archivist" the real Greg Brooks or is he a faker?


He is the real thing. I think he got pulled into the conversations here based on something that he found out that someone was saying about him here. I forget - but it was something like that. It is all there if you search for all his posts and read the first several.

Now, The Fake Greg Brooks is there just to take up the slack. And answer questions that the Real Greg Brooks is too busy to answer. He is like the Santa Claus at the mall. Except that he is still in training, and he takes off too much time to watch football. So, we can not be sure of anything he says - too much spicy food, really.

:D Lol@Santa Claus
Thanks :P Now i can sleep at night too....


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Posted: 17 Oct 06, 23:38 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

jeroen wrote:

Well, Bob, you can sure make it 'more' definate when you include QPR...
Maybe even solo-tours!
At least there is an oppertunity to make it even more thorough then anything out there in THAT sence ;-)


Actually, I don't plan on including anything after 1986, since it's all so well-documented. I don't know what I can add to what's commonly available. Besides, my expertise doesn't lie in the QPR stuff. I think the only thing I could do is point out all the "Roger... AHHHHHHH" moments on bootlegs so people could find them.



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Posted: 18 Oct 06, 01:03 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

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jeroen wrote:

Well, Bob, you can sure make it 'more' definate when you include QPR...
Maybe even solo-tours!
At least there is an oppertunity to make it even more thorough then anything out there in THAT sence ;-)


Actually, I don't plan on including anything after 1986, since it's all so well-documented. I don't know what I can add to what's commonly available. Besides, my expertise doesn't lie in the QPR stuff. I think the only thing I could do is point out all the "Roger... AHHHHHHH" moments on bootlegs so people could find them.


If you don't, many people will view the book as a "he said, she said" situation and not be too interested.

Adding post-1986, be it solo/Cross/QPR, will help differentiate your book from the "official" Queen Live. If you are serious about getting it published, then I really think you need that added hook.


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Posted: 18 Oct 06, 01:06 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

You know what REALLY scares me?

If ANYONE wants to look for anything in those archives, they are going to be SO fucked up...

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Posted: 18 Oct 06, 08:41 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

The biggest problem for any independent author is the restriction of access to any of the surviving Queen band members - and the referral (or deferral) of all things Queen to Greg.

This is very bad practice as any intellectual discussion can not be restricted to a single solitary source. For example, Greg recently wrote in here that ‘…no Bohemian Rhapsody video out-takes exist…’ However, although I do not own these, I have viewed them, and they are in the possession of a collector whom I nick-name the ‘anti-Greg’. (My apologies if he actually sees this – but it is meant as a term of respect and ‘affection').

This now creates two separate problems:

First: The official denial, and as the contrary source is automatically rejected as illegitimate, it is reduced to no more than hearsay.

Second: As this information is unsubstantiated, (or indeed unsubstantiatable), the author is left without proof, and is viewed as contradicting ‘Official sources’, or worse still ‘a liar’, and without the permission of the ‘owner’ to publish, really has no other avenue of confirmation, so is left as they say, ‘p*ssing against the wind’.

Unfortunately, for the likes of myself, Bob, Lester and others, the ‘challenge’ from Greg to produce ‘something’ is rather hollow, considering that he is the only gateway to official sources, so unless there is someway to circumvent his involvement, (which there isn’t because of his official status), it is impossible to create something fresh and unique because the tools to do so – do not exist.

Finally, even if these obstacles were surmountable, once the product was out there, it would not be viewed as a heavyweight of academic research, but, like the Queen entries in ‘Wikipedia’, perceived with both derision and suspicion.

And while it could be argued that this is the case for all ‘unofficial’ materials, for all bands or celebrities, at least Paul MacCartney, Robert Plant, Alex Ferguson, or whoever, are willing to talk to alternative journalistic sources, so there is far more opportunity to produce something both unique and entertaining.

That is one reason why I prefer being in here - instead of 'the printed word'.

As a lazy sod, perhaps after my death, some enterprising soul could collect my 'Record Collector' features and my Queenzone threads and replies (there are quite a few over on Queenonline also), as I guess there is as much info there as to rival anthing Greg has done so far...



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Posted: 18 Oct 06, 12:34 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Greg was detained the other day after he was found slumped in his car with two empty bottles of oregano and a real sore throat. I'm filling in until he makes bail.

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Posted: 18 Oct 06, 14:08 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

John S Stuart wrote:

First: The official denial, and as the contrary source is automatically rejected as illegitimate, it is reduced to no more than hearsay.

Second: As this information is unsubstantiated, (or indeed unsubstantiatable), the author is left without proof, and is viewed as contradicting ‘Official sources’, or worse still ‘a liar’, and without the permission of the ‘owner’ to publish, really has no other avenue of confirmation, so is left as they say, ‘p*ssing against the wind’.


Excellent post, John. This is exactly the problem we face.

Zeni wrote:

If you don't, many people will view the book as a "he said, she said" situation and not be too interested.

Adding post-1986, be it solo/Cross/QPR, will help differentiate your book from the "official" Queen Live. If you are serious about getting it published, then I really think you need that added hook.


You're right. I will have to start to seriously consider this. What can you suggest I do to research things from 1987 onward?



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Posted: 18 Oct 06, 15:27 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

His real name is Gregor Brookska, he is Russian and he was the righthand of Stalin.


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