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Posted: 06 Nov 06, 12:17 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Listen to the song 'Siempre Hay Esperanza' from Sade's 1988 album 'Promise'.

Then compare it to 'My Baby Loves Me' from 'The Miracle'.


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Posted: 06 Nov 06, 12:34 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Mr.Jingles wrote:

Listen to the song 'Siempre Hay Esperanza' from Sade's 1988 album 'Promise'.

Then compare it to 'My Baby Loves Me' from 'The Miracle'.


From "Stronger Than Pride" album you meant probably...

Album was released during The Miracle sessions, so...

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Posted: 06 Nov 06, 14:43 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Thanks for correcting me Serry.

'Promise' was released on 1985, and does not feature 'Siempre Hay Esperanza'.


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Posted: 06 Nov 06, 14:51 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Apparently they never paid her, because it was right after Stronger Than Pride that she had her Musician Fire Sale. Everybody must go!!!

Love Deluxe was pretty crappy and then all was left was a Greatest Hits. Poor Sade. Maybe she could front Queen.

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Posted: 06 Nov 06, 20:30 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

It's funny you should mention that, because I've always thought there is an uncanny similarity between "Smooth Operator" and "March Of The Black Queen". MOTBQ was relased first though, so who ripped off who?

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Posted: 07 Nov 06, 00:25 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

The song is so generic, I think both are probably ripped off of something else anyway. What's the word... ersatz? Pastiche? I can't remember.


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Posted: 07 Nov 06, 02:57 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Sade!!!!!!!!... no way..... I think you have to go back further in time, have a listen to Young Hearts Run Free by Candi Staton.....Freddie was clearly inspired by this song!

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Posted: 07 Nov 06, 04:27 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Mr.Jingles wrote:

Listen to the song 'Siempre Hay Esperanza' from Sade's 1988 album 'Promise'.

Then compare it to 'My Baby Loves Me' from 'The Miracle'.



Ahhh, I love Simpre Hay Esperanza...it was in that Al Pacino movie "Sea of Love"...and I have the stronger than pride CD at home...I'm gonna have to listen to My baby loves me...and judge for myself!


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Posted: 07 Nov 06, 04:29 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

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Apparently they never paid her, because it was right after Stronger Than Pride that she had her Musician Fire Sale. Everybody must go!!!

Love Deluxe was pretty crappy and then all was left was a Greatest Hits. Poor Sade. Maybe she could front Queen.



You entitled to your own thoughts, but Love Deluxe was not a crappy album...it was very classy and beautiful


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Posted: 07 Nov 06, 09:14 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

RETROLOVE<h6>The Black Queen wrote:

¼Microwave wrote:

Apparently they never paid her, because it was right after Stronger Than Pride that she had her Musician Fire Sale. Everybody must go!!!

Love Deluxe was pretty crappy and then all was left was a Greatest Hits. Poor Sade. Maybe she could front Queen.



You entitled to your own thoughts, but Love Deluxe was not a crappy album...it was very classy and beautiful


Personally I think that Sade has never put out a bad album.
Love Deluxe is my least favorite but I still enjoy it.


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Posted: 07 Nov 06, 12:40 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Stronger than Pride was the 2nd CD I ever bought. I love it. But, like Jingles, it set my sights high, but when Love Deluxe came out, alas I thought it was junk. Sounded like she wrote it exclusively for an FM Jazz station.

Hey RETROLOVE? Have you heard George Howard's "No Ordinary Love"? Try to download it and compare to the original on Love Deluxe. Tell me that song severly needed a Rock guitar lead on it.

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Posted: 07 Nov 06, 14:24 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

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The song is so generic, I think both are probably ripped off of something else anyway. What's the word... ersatz? Pastiche? I can't remember.


Several times now, Zebonka, I've had to get out my dictionary to look up the precise meanings of your posts. haha. I mean, your vocabulary is slightly better (well, maybe much better - I don't know) than mine.

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Posted: 07 Nov 06, 15:33 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Donna13 wrote:

Zebonka12 wrote:

The song is so generic, I think both are probably ripped off of something else anyway. What's the word... ersatz? Pastiche? I can't remember.


Several times now, Zebonka, I've had to get out my dictionary to look up the precise meanings of your posts. haha. I mean, your vocabulary is slightly better (well, maybe much better - I don't know) than mine.


Don't let ol' Zeb fool you! He's 14 and tries out words he needs to learn in school on this board.
I'm still working on an explanation for his rather distinguished music career..

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Posted: 07 Nov 06, 18:57 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Ha!

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Posted: 07 Nov 06, 19:57 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I always liked Sade. The perfect combo of class & sexiness :)

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Posted: 07 Nov 06, 23:57 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

¼Microwave wrote:

Stronger than Pride was the 2nd CD I ever bought. I love it. But, like Jingles, it set my sights high, but when Love Deluxe came out, alas I thought it was junk. Sounded like she wrote it exclusively for an FM Jazz station.

Hey RETROLOVE? Have you heard George Howard's "No Ordinary Love"? Try to download it and compare to the original on Love Deluxe. Tell me that song severly needed a Rock guitar lead on it.



I'll have to download that and see...thank you kindly :)


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Posted: 08 Nov 06, 00:05 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Mr.Jingles wrote:

RETROLOVE<h6>The Black Queen wrote:

¼Microwave wrote:

Apparently they never paid her, because it was right after Stronger Than Pride that she had her Musician Fire Sale. Everybody must go!!!

Love Deluxe was pretty crappy and then all was left was a Greatest Hits. Poor Sade. Maybe she could front Queen.



You entitled to your own thoughts, but Love Deluxe was not a crappy album...it was very classy and beautiful


Personally I think that Sade has never put out a bad album.
Love Deluxe is my least favorite but I still enjoy it.


Diamond Life is probably my favorite CD by Sade.

Did you like Lover's Rock album at all Mr. Jingles?

I'll admit they lost me on that one :( but I do like the title track and the 'King of Sorrow' song, other than that...


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Posted: 08 Nov 06, 07:05 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I've always wondered how anyone can be sure that what they have just composed is original. If a tune pops into a person's head, how do they know it is not something they heard before?

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Posted: 08 Nov 06, 11:40 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Mr.Jingles wrote:

Listen to the song 'Siempre Hay Esperanza' from Sade's 1988 album 'Promise'.

Then compare it to 'My Baby Loves Me' from 'The Miracle'.


They are indeed very similar.

I would like to hear Vanilla Ice guiving an opinion about this! ; )

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Posted: 08 Nov 06, 12:15 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

RETROLOVE<h6>The Black Queen wrote:

Mr.Jingles wrote:

RETROLOVE<h6>The Black Queen wrote:

¼Microwave wrote:

Apparently they never paid her, because it was right after Stronger Than Pride that she had her Musician Fire Sale. Everybody must go!!!

Love Deluxe was pretty crappy and then all was left was a Greatest Hits. Poor Sade. Maybe she could front Queen.



You entitled to your own thoughts, but Love Deluxe was not a crappy album...it was very classy and beautiful


Personally I think that Sade has never put out a bad album.
Love Deluxe is my least favorite but I still enjoy it.


Diamond Life is probably my favorite CD by Sade.

Did you like Lover's Rock album at all Mr. Jingles?

I'll admit they lost me on that one :( but I do like the title track and the 'King of Sorrow' song, other than that...


It's hard to me to pick a favorite between 'Diamond Life', 'Promise', and 'Stronger Than Pride'... but if given a single choice I'd pick 'Stronger Than Pride'.

I still like 'Love Deluxe' but as I said it's my least favorite. 'Lover's Rock' dissapointed me the first time I listened to it. I guess I expected something that sounded like her first 3 albums. Eventually it grew on me, and I appreciated the true beauty of it despite being a different album.

Speaking of Sade, I just have to mention that from many years I pronounced Sade as (Seh-id). Then my girlfriend pointed out to me that it was in fact (Sha-deh).


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