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Posted: 06 Nov 06, 12:45 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I have been monitoring the chat and speculation on QZ about original 1975 Bohemian Rhapsody promo video out-takes - what little there is.

There is a TINY amount of chat on about this MASSIVELY significant tape, or tapes, this monumentally important film, and TONS of chat about hundreds and hundreds of other very trivial Queen issues and recordings. The lack of text about these out-takes is precisely as you might expect 'IF' something does not really exist.

I have read all mentions of this on QZ but it does not furnish enough info to be able to make a definitive decision either way. To convince yourself categorically that Bo Rhap film out-takes definitely exist, just based on what's rumoured or suggested or ludicrously offered as fact, on QZ, is folly and totally illogical.

I have already stated on this site that I do not believe that such things exist. Having spoken to probably EVERY major and serious Queen collector and expert there is, over 31 years... many of whom have come and gone, NONE of them has ever seen any such out-take. Never.

I feel certain, in this money-mad world we live in - where NOTHING is sacred and EVERYTHING has its price - that if such out-takes existed, they would have emerged long ago. Someone somewhere would have made a mint by now - be it via a genuine love of music history, by accident, or because of greed.

Such film is exactly the kind of thing we would have featured as bonus material on GVH1, and/or the NATO releases in recent years.

The fact that nothing has been reported, or viewed by anyone I have ever talked with or met or heard from, I believe, is conclusive proof nothing is out there. It's just unfounded rumour. It's a lovely thought, but it's fiction.

Certain 'experts' are insisting on QZ that they exist. OK. I might be wrong. I'd love to be proven wrong. Thus....

IF Bo Rhap video out-takes exist, somebody will be able to describe an extract, or even a full description, in detail, not vague guesswork. Someone will even be able to provide a tiny extract for us to examine and then it will be a matter of fact not fantasy.

At the very least there will be some detailed description somewhere. IF so, IF it exists, I can assure you that QPL would be interested in buying such footage. And... if the fan/s in question doesn't want to part with it, we could pay for the use of it. A fair compromise can always be worked out... just like we did with the Magic 86 rehearsal footage, and other stuff we have negotiated for. There is no excuse for further bullshit or tired transparent excuses.

So... if it exists, PROVE IT. It won't be hard. It will be simple. A 5-second snippet is all we'd need.

I am not interested in further silliness on this matter... "It DOES exist Greg, but you are so disliked that no one will send it to you." That is rubbish. Send it to a third party if that's the case. Find a way. Leave me out of the process, I don't care, but just stop the bullshit speculation and silly excuses.

Those of you on QZ who insist it exists, persistently fail to offer one single tiny iota of proof. You are too gullible by half. Why would you so easily believe this???? It baffles me. Most of you are usually so sceptical and logical.

"We don't like you Greg, so we're not handing over proof that precious Bo Rhap out-takes exist" won't do. This is not the infant school playground, this is the real world. Personal feelings are irrelevant, only Queen rarities are of interest here.

Can you prove they exist, or can you only protest and make excuses for why they cannot, and have never been, in 31 years, produced???? Not one single second has ever emerged.

I look forward to be proven wrong. I look forward EVEN MORE to featuring any such out-takes on the next relevant Queen DVD (bonus material) for EVERYONE to enjoy for the first time in history.





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Posted: 06 Nov 06, 13:02 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Sorry, Greg, but you as well as everyone else know that nothing will be posted (I'm sure on 99,9999% though I'd like to be proven wrong neither), so why do you post this?

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Posted: 06 Nov 06, 13:12 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

OK Serry, but if let's sort this issue out once and for all... not least because I keep getting asked about it.

I am certain that it doesn't exist, but there is no harm in putting it 'out there' for someone to disprove... if they're SO CERTAIN it does exist. Certain experts are totally convinced it's out there, and that's weird to me.

Like the QUEEN IN SUNBURY 1974 FOOTAGE (which was proven to be the bullshit that I and others thought it was), we will soon see about this one way or the other.

Nothing wrong with that, is there Serry?


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Posted: 06 Nov 06, 13:27 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

About Sunbury everything was SO obvious... I think now you know WHOM you ask to prove if the video exists and the problem is that issue won't be sort out. One expert says: "It exists", another say "It doesn't, prove your point!" - "But you don't prove your point, why should I do it first?!" etc. And it will be that school playground you wrote about. In these (the high class collectors) cases everything can be SO personal. IMHO.

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Posted: 06 Nov 06, 13:50 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

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I look forward to be proven wrong. I look forward EVEN MORE to featuring any such out-takes on the next relevant Queen DVD (bonus material) for EVERYONE to enjoy for the first time in history.




Outtakes from which area ??????? and for which DVD ??

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Posted: 06 Nov 06, 17:46 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

greg, i admit that i (for one of many) don't like the way you approach "requests for favours"

let's face a fact or two - you are asking people (many of whom will forget much more than you will ever learn about queen) all you ever appear to do around here is "goad" people into "offering something up gratis"...surely even you have learned by now that your approach does not work...the majority of people do not like your methods...and almost as many don't like you....and why will anyone ever offer up stuff to a guy who goads, antagonises and insults...change tack and you have a chance...make the first genuine move and some might meet you halfway

but - your case is not beyond redemption...and someone in a job like yours - ie one that requires a degree of intelligence should have been able to work this out....all YOU have to do....to mend some bridges, and heal some wounds....is ...........

make the first move....offer something worthwhile yourself...and i don't mean offer up copyrighted songs...you could make a massive peace-making step...how about YOU tell us what IS in the archives? some real info and detail on the recordings that YOU know for sure exists....some details on which classic shows exist in soundboard or quality film (in ful)...which studio songs exist in demo unfinished (recorded) format...go on....give it a go ...what have you got to lose? you might get soemthing worthwhile back...and if you don't - so what? at least you tried to mend things and at least you will feel a better person for trying




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Posted: 06 Nov 06, 17:47 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Well, specifically the title says it all, but I'm sure if you have ANY outtakes that QPL do not have, they'll be happy to hear from you.

Which DVD? Any appropriate future one...

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Posted: 06 Nov 06, 18:02 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Roy...

Outtakes from which area ??????? and for which DVD ??


It's very clear in my thread what film I'm talking about. The title of the thread is a rather big clue too.


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Posted: 06 Nov 06, 18:08 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Serry.

This is really an extraordinarily simple concept.

1. I am sure that no 1975 Bo Rhap film out-takes exist.

2. Some experts are sure that 1975 Bo Rhap film out-takes DO exist.

3. If they are so certain they exist, provie they exist.

4. If no one offers any proof, then we can all rest assured that no such out-takes exist, just like 99.9% of fans believe.... and despite the bogus claims by the 0.1% to the contrary.

That is all. No more, no less. It could not be simpler. I'm not being sarcastic, I'm simply stating blunt irrifutable facts here. You cannot argue with pure logic.




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Posted: 06 Nov 06, 18:10 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Serry....

Sorry, Greg, but you as well as everyone else know that nothing will be posted (I'm sure on 99,9999% though I'd like to be proven wrong neither), so why do you post this?


IF THIS IS NOT OBVIOUS ENOUGH TO YOU, WITHOUT FURTHER EXPLANATION, IT'S ALL A BIT POINTLESS.

LIKE YOU... I PERSONALLY DO NOT EXPECT ONE TINY FRAGMENT OF PROOF TO EMERGE (AS MY THREAD OUTLINES IN DETAIL), BUT THE REASON FOR POSTING IT, THE 'POINT' OF IT, AS YOU ASK, IS BLATANTLY OBVIOUS CHUM.


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Posted: 06 Nov 06, 19:16 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Apart from Queenzone, i´ve never read anywhere else that the out-takes were in collectors hands!

But it is possible that they do exist in archives (not in Queen archives).

I´m remembering the "Exorcist - Directors Cut". They´ve found the lost takes by accident in an old warehouse. When they saw it was the Exorcist out-takes, they cleaned it re-edit and release it!

I saw a documentary, some time ago (i think it was shared in Queenzone) and the director of the video Bo Rhap was interviewd. I think it´s possible for Queenproductions to get in touch with him - i think he´s in American Idol (?)- and ask him if it´s possible for the out-takes to exist, and if there is a possibillity for the tapes to be archived somwhere. I mean, i think that they just don´t throw away the un-edited stuff!!

And, it´s easier for you Greg, because you know what you´ll get here in Queenzone - more of the same!!

But, good luck.

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Posted: 07 Nov 06, 00:48 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

not this again...first that long debate over the 74 Sunbury gig now this...no.


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Posted: 07 Nov 06, 00:48 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

not this again...first that long debate over the 74 Sunbury gig now this...no.


Roger: Can I go To Lunch Now?

Brian: No, You Can't...

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Freddie: Oh Shit, All this crap again?!



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Posted: 07 Nov 06, 02:43 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Queen Archivist wrote:

Serry.

This is really an extraordinarily simple concept.

1. I am sure that no 1975 Bo Rhap film out-takes exist.

2. Some experts are sure that 1975 Bo Rhap film out-takes DO exist.

3. If they are so certain they exist, provie they exist.

4. If no one offers any proof, then we can all rest assured that no such out-takes exist, just like 99.9% of fans believe.... and despite the bogus claims by the 0.1% to the contrary.

That is all. No more, no less. It could not be simpler. I'm not being sarcastic, I'm simply stating blunt irrifutable facts here. You cannot argue with pure logic.



Your logic is the logic of a child.
But I'm sure you are smart enough to realize that there is a difference between
1. something is not proved to exist
2. something is proved to not exist.

The former does not imply the latter.

Can you follow?


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Posted: 07 Nov 06, 02:44 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Queen Archivist wrote:

Serry.
This is really an extraordinarily simple concept.
1. I am sure that no 1975 Bo Rhap film out-takes exist.
2. Some experts are sure that 1975 Bo Rhap film out-takes DO exist.
3. If they are so certain they exist, provie they exist.
4. If no one offers any proof, then we can all rest assured that no such out-takes exist, just like 99.9% of fans believe.... and despite the bogus claims by the 0.1% to the contrary.
That is all. No more, no less. It could not be simpler. I'm not being sarcastic, I'm simply stating blunt irrifutable facts here. You cannot argue with pure logic.


I can't, but as I wrote (and what you repeat in your reply) it's useless dialogue "I have it" - "No you don't have it" - "So prove it!" - "No, I won't. Why should I?!" - "You're liar then" - "Ok, but I still have it" - "No!" - "Yes..." etc. There's no pure logic when personal affairs appears (not exactly towards you).

Greg you know it as well as I do. You're an official archivist, you're sure it doesn't exist - okay. Opinion of 0,001% of QZers changes nothing. It won't kill your authority. You can start on QOL (not on forum, but on site itself... Man it's only forum - you may come back and edit what you wrote under any nickname, but main page of QOL is different case) special section "Stop rumours!" and post all what you know about Queen tapes of such kind. If you don't like that people on QZ believe in these 'rumours' - just do it, "I'm Greg Brooks, Queen archivist, THERE ARE NO Bo Rhap out-takes, you can trust me in this on 110%! Regards, GB". I'm sorry for that off-topic, but again as I wrote we all know that nothing will be posted, so...

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Posted: 07 Nov 06, 04:58 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

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Roy...

Outtakes from which area ??????? and for which DVD ??


It's very clear in my thread what film I'm talking about. The title of the thread is a rather big clue too.


I understand which film you are talking about and that you are looking for some outtakes.

I was trying to get some answer about an next DVD release.

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Posted: 07 Nov 06, 05:53 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Greg,

Absolutely agree with you on this. HOWEVER, you have no way of being "absolutely" certain that the out-takes don't exist. The fact that you're asking for proof that they do indicates that there's a glimmer of hope in your mind that they do exist.

Look at the work that Spitfire Productsions have put into their new biopic on The Who - they have unearthed MILES of footage that was believed not to exist. They have even unearthed the Holy Grail of footage from Leeds University on 13.02.1970. Stuff like this will always turn up - eventually. Collectors, as you know, are an odd bunch. They offer up tantalising snippets of stuff every so often just to keep their own interest in many cases. I do this where The Who is concerned and it's fun. I have stuff that no one else has heard and it will stay that way simply because of what it took for me to "collect" it. I knwo that there are many other fans of other bands that have the same attitude.

I believe that to be the case with the Bo Rhap out-takes; if they exist, then great - thank god they have been preserved SOMEWHERE. The fact that they haven't been "offered" to QPL is a direct result of the way that they have treated Queen fans since Freddie's death IMHO. The constant barrage of sub-standard and / or repetitive product has left the collecting community with a sense that QPL couldn't give two filofaxes about their wants, but are more than happy to keep dishing out the re-hashes of the past.

It's my belief that if QPL were to show more interest in the collecting community and accept it as a source of future material as opposed to a dark and secret society that it ripping the band off, they would find this kind of material more forthcoming. It simply and necessarily MUST work both ways.

Let's put it this way - what did YOU think in 1984 when ALL the tracks on The Works were released around the same time as single a/b sides, with only one "bonus" in I Go Crazy? I know that I felt like I'd been asked to buy two albums and all the singles in order to keep Queen in the charts and certain people's pockets nice and full of pound notes. Of course, I bought them as a good fan, but now, some 22 years later, I STILL feel that I've had nothing back in terms of a loyalty shown. OK, this is the opinion of one disgruntled fan, but if you then multiply this up to the likes of people that have the material you are requesting is proffered to QPL, you may get an idea of why there is so much reticence.

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Posted: 07 Nov 06, 07:07 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Benn...

Thank you for the much needed calm and sensible approach to the calm and logical question/point I raised.

People are contorting my point out of all recognition - no change there then!!! Predictable as ever, and a waste of time of course.

My feeling is simply that if something historically significant does exist, let's have it. Let's have it out there. If it doesn't exist, then we can all move on and debate REAL things that are worth debating and further researching... rather than wasting time on this fictitious item.

Exactly like someone rightly said above, we wasted time chasing with GENUINE interest and real excitement, the prospect of a Queen in Sunbury 1974 film. But it was proven to be a bullshit rumour, as we suspected, started by some idiot to waste our collective time. However, now that it has been proven as a load of rubbish, none of us has to think about it any more.

I keep getting asked about Bo Rhap film out-takes. I keep saying NO. But then you get silly people on QZ saying YES they definitely exist because I have seen them. But they can offer ABSOLUTELY NO data at all. Nothing. They have not seen them, it's all crap to keep certain gullible QZ-ers hanging in there in futile hope and i cannot understand this whole concept.

I would like to move away from these bullshit rumours and onto more constructive and fruitful debates about material which DOES exist and IS real. That's all.



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Posted: 07 Nov 06, 08:28 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I think that Greg put his request very well and hasn't resorted to some of the goading, name calling etc... that has been evident across QZ between some contributors before.

Once thing is a fact - outtakes of the Bo Rhap video (and all others) certainly DID exist at some point, due to the fact that the final edit would not have included absolutely everything filmed for the promo clip. The question is, does any of this footage, some 30+ years on, still exist?

I would hazard a guess at yes, due to the fact that Bo Rhap was of instant significance as soon as it was released, and so any associated product would have been highly collectable from day one. It's not as if it was something that at the time was irrelevant (for example, John Lennon's first acoustic guitar was worthless when he had it as a 10 year old, but would obviously later become very valuable later on).

If it was snapped up in the collectors market in 75/76, it may have changed hands, but anyone buying or tading it would have known the rarity value and taken care of it accordingly. Funny that Bruce Gowers/Trident/QPL etc.. don't have it though as a lot of directors or those paying for the clip would usually keep everything for the archives.

I don't understand why, if someone does have it, they can't, as Greg asks, just provide some proof of its existence (a summary of what there is, a 10 sec clip etc...) There is still no need to part with it, share any more of it, let it be used for anything etc... if they don't want to, but they will be letting collectors and archivists of the future know that it exists without spoiling their own collection/nest egg.

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Posted: 07 Nov 06, 08:37 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Maybe there was some very embarrassing footage of the guys, so they bought it so it won't never see the light of day. ;)

great topic btw.


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