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Posted: 13 Nov 06, 15:15 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

John is just a classic bassplayer. Sure, he has his highlights here and there, but it's just another bassplayer. Although his feel and focus and especially his own sound is way better then Danny Miranda, and that won't change.


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Posted: 13 Nov 06, 15:17 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

1. Jaco
2. Chris Squire
3. Rocco Prestia
4. Mark King
5. YOUR SISTER
6. Flea
7. Tony Levin
8. Paul McCartney
9. Stanley Clarke
10. JOHN DEACON


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Posted: 13 Nov 06, 15:21 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

yeah, as much as i love John, he's playing was solid and sound, and his technique was good, but for the most part his playing was uninspiering.

There are MANY bass players far ahead of him for inventivness and ability.

Such as (in no paticular order)

Les Claypool - Primus
Jason Newsted - Metallica
Flea - chilli peppers
Auf De Maur - Hole/Smashing Pumpkins
Fieldy - Korn

Sorry John, I (we) all love you, but there are deffinetly greater players out there, especcially since you are not really in the running anymore.


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Posted: 13 Nov 06, 16:17 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

¼Microwave wrote:

1. Jaco
2. Chris Squire
3. Rocco Prestia
4. Mark King
5. YOUR SISTER
6. Flea
7. Tony Levin
8. Paul McCartney
9. Stanley Clarke
10. JOHN DEACON


There's a serious lack of John Entwistle and Chris Squire on your list, Household Appliance 33 1/3.

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Posted: 13 Nov 06, 17:55 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Deacon rocks!!

Chris Squire is incredible....puts everyone under the table in any class when it comes to bass, and i think John would agree. Chris was a huge inspiration for him i once read in a early interview....

So yeah...that settles that.

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Posted: 13 Nov 06, 18:07 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

http://www.digitaldreamdoor.com/pages/best_bassguitar.html

this site had a load of these kind of lists

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Posted: 13 Nov 06, 18:22 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

<font color =BrianJM> RollingBowieQueen wrote:

Still John IS more than your average bass-player. I don't rate him for that (despite his classic basslines in AOBTD and Under Pressure) as much as his songwriting. I love Deaky's songs. I can't choose a favourite songwriter when it comes to Queen because they all wrote some excellent songs, John's are some standout as he wrote so few.


I agree with you!! He's #1 in my heart for the greatest Bass player and songwriter of all time!! ;-)


I love John Deacon and Brian May!!!
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Posted: 13 Nov 06, 18:31 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Lester Burnham wrote:


There's a serious lack of John Entwistle and Chris Squire on your list, Household Appliance 33 1/3.


#2 on my list was Chris! And you can blame John Deacon for not letting Entwistle in my top 10. That was my toss-up. I have more Queen albums.

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Posted: 13 Nov 06, 20:49 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

iLOVEFREDDiEMERCURY wrote:

Where do you think John ranks among the best rock bassists? My sister plays bass and insists John isn't very good, but he's got excellent technique and rythm. He's one of my favorites!
I'd only put Flea, Geddy Lee(reluctantly), and John Paul Jones above him...oh, and the guy from Rage Against the Machine.



Hhmm, i dont know how your sister can say he is not very good... I mean, its ones thing to read his notes on paper and say what ever about them but its much harder to come up with them. I am trying to pick a fight here or anything,,,lol,, but i dont see how it could be said that he is not very good, i mean look at all the other top bass players, John is a Versatile a player as queen were to music. All the different stlyes and pace's and ... everything!! he is up there.

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Posted: 13 Nov 06, 20:54 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

¼Microwave wrote:

Lester Burnham wrote:


There's a serious lack of John Entwistle and Chris Squire on your list, Household Appliance 33 1/3.


#2 on my list was Chris! And you can blame John Deacon for not letting Entwistle in my top 10. That was my toss-up. I have more Queen albums.


Did I mention that I can't read?

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Posted: 13 Nov 06, 22:59 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

iLOVEFREDDiEMERCURY wrote:

I always argue with my sis that John Deacon is a way better songwriter than John Paul Jones...does anyone agree? Zeppelin songs tend to be a little generic...brilliant...but generic. I like Queen because they write about everything.


John Deacon wrote pop songs, and John Paul Jones wrote rock songs outside of the pop format, so you really can't compare the two so easily. Jonesy wrote things like Black Dog, No Quarter, and In The Light, while Deacy wrote Spread Your Wings, AOBTD, and Back Chat. As for Zeppelin being generic, I completely disagree. Sure, their earlier stuff is blues-influenced, but that certainly doesn't make it generic. Check out songs like Trampled Underfoot, Achilles Last Stand, Carouselambra, and the entire Houses Of The Holy album, and then tell me Zeppelin wrote generic songs.

¼Microwave wrote:

1. Jaco
2. Chris Squire
3. Rocco Prestia
4. Mark King
5. YOUR SISTER
6. Flea
7. Tony Levin
8. Paul McCartney
9. Stanley Clarke
10. JOHN DEACON


Instead of my sister, let's put Geddy Lee of Rush in at #5... and Jack Bruce as #10. He was a huge influence on Chris Squire. Otherwise, it's a great list!

Also worthy of mention in any topic about bassists is Victor Wooten. He is nothing short of brilliant.



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Posted: 13 Nov 06, 23:23 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote:

Check out songs like Trampled Underfoot, Achilles Last Stand, Carouselambra, and the entire Houses Of The Holy album, and then tell me Zeppelin wrote generic songs.


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Posted: 13 Nov 06, 23:41 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

You guys have forgotten of possibly the best bassist, Cliff Burton from Metallica


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Posted: 14 Nov 06, 00:58 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

saltnvinegar wrote:

http://www.digitaldreamdoor.com/pages/best_bassguitar.html

this site had a load of these kind of lists



oooo that's a good site, I was pleased to see Freddie topped greatest rock vocalists.

And I don't know much about music, but I reckon John is a bloody good bass player. Just listen to Millionair Waltz with only the left headphone in and you'll hear his brilliance


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Posted: 14 Nov 06, 02:08 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

John is good, but he doesn't rank very high. Top 50 or 40 I guess.

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Posted: 14 Nov 06, 02:08 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

How the fook can Steve Harris be 28th?


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Posted: 14 Nov 06, 04:01 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

A well put together site, with a lot of lists that were fun to check out. Didnt agree with Freddie being at 62 on the songwriting side of things, and Brian and Roger could have been a fair bit higher, but there you go. Good on the creators of that site for making so many lists, and once again Freddie does top the best vocalists, so there you go.

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Posted: 14 Nov 06, 04:38 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

actually for songwriting queen came in 17.

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Posted: 14 Nov 06, 07:32 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

James Jamerson -- Motown session player, established modern bass technique -- played bass on more number one singles than ANYONE


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Posted: 14 Nov 06, 08:02 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

greaserkat wrote:

You guys have forgotten of possibly the best bassist, Cliff Burton from Metallica


I was hoping somebody would make note of this omision-any list of "best of's" is going to be subjective, but I think Cliff doesn't get his due because Metallica is a heavy metal band-same with Steve Harris of Iron Maiden.


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