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Posted: 22 Nov 06, 20:46 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I think that once he quite the smokes it helped clear up his voice and i suppose he put more time in studio work.

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Posted: 22 Nov 06, 20:50 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Freddie's voice got a lil deeper but it didn't change that much. His singing style changed because stopped hitting highs with falsetto in the studio. He never hit them really live with falsetto (which contrary to populatr ignorant belief is a mark of a better vocalist than one who uses the falsetto crutch, i doubt it was because he couldnt as so many here seem to believe) other than that like I said his voice just got a lil deeeper and really didn't change too much from 78/79-84/85 compaaring his best nights.

AIDS had noothing to do with anything. Vocal rest and not smoking as heavily did. David Coverdale from whitesnake has a similar vocal recovery recently if you listen to him live.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Taoqq4Q6Muo

He gave up smoking completely I dont think Freddie completely gave up smoking though.




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Posted: 22 Nov 06, 21:58 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

1986-87....best two years in the history of Freddie Mercury´s voice!!! Just out of this planet!

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Posted: 23 Nov 06, 00:52 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I've noticed how Freddie's voice changed throughout the years. In the early days, it had a higher pitch, because he was younger. As he got older, his voice got deeper. Near the end, I feel his voice was at it's strongest point. His voice, in my opinion, was always strong though.


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Posted: 23 Nov 06, 03:34 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I agree that age is the main factor. Also, studio and live performance cannot be compared. The concerts were very straining: two hours of singing at your limit with virtually no break is incredibly straining - in opera only Wagner singers have to do that and they do not sing at their vocal limits all the time. Freddie delivered amazing vocal performances. If you have ever sung yourself for longer than an hour you know what he actually could do.

As to smoking: Freddie said he smoked to get his voice "raspier". If you watch him in interviews you will notice that Freddie never inhaled the smoke, he only "puffed". If he had inhaled all the smoke he would have been unable to deliver a performance such as Magic Tour, for example, because he would have reduced his lung volume considerably. Watching him run up and down the stairs and dancing away on the big stage of the Magic Tour it's obvious that he did not lose any of his lung volume to smoking at all. However, it's well possible that he hurt his vocal chords with all the smoke.


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Posted: 23 Nov 06, 06:08 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

one thing i've learnt as a singer is if you sing everyday (especially in the throaty freddie style) it will take its toll on your voice, and those high note will become... slightly unreliable! but that throaty or "raspy" style was freddies way. i think the two large factors in the changes to his voice in his later days were maybe he cut down on the smokes? this probably would have been the advice from his doctors? if u have a weakened immune system (due to aids in this case) its a good idea not to punish ur lungs with smoke?! so i think maybe he cut down on the smoking, and with his breaks between recording sessions it gave his voice a lot of time to recover. thats my opinion/theory!

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Posted: 23 Nov 06, 08:52 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

freddie,s tone was always good,in the studio and live,it is the color of his voice which makes him unique

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Posted: 23 Nov 06, 11:00 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

It's a shame he smoked until that time as I think some of his singing on The Miracle sound like he's trying too hard. Freddie sounds more at ease on the Innuendo album.

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Posted: 23 Nov 06, 12:31 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I'd agree with that Adam. But I gotta say, I think it works on I Want It All or Was It All Worth It.... the guy sounds formidable. He sings with the oomph of a diesel train on those tracks.


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Posted: 23 Nov 06, 12:32 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

The Barcelona project is tops for me.




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Posted: 24 Nov 06, 05:20 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Hey, this topic seems to be going in my mind recently aswell!

I really noticed the same thing while chronologically watching Queen -live stuff from 1974 up to 1986 and then listening to Miracle and Innuendo.

What really happened?

On Innuendo he has this unbeleavebly clear and high pitch on most of the songs. Compared to 1986 (watch them recording One Vision from Magic Years 1), the voice has a very different quality.

I have alwasy thought that it had something to do with also the physical change he got throught (weight-loss etc.)

Maybe here is a good question fro Brian in his "Letters"? Anyone?


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Posted: 24 Nov 06, 07:55 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

beautifulsoup wrote:

The Barcelona project is tops for me.



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Posted: 24 Nov 06, 15:38 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

And yet it continues:

I told you idiots (and many others have also pointed it out) his voice sounds different on Innuendo because he got more rest from not touring. His voice got a little deeper during the late 70's and mid 80's because of heavy smoking and probably due to late night partying and heavy touring.

Tone was key in the studio and he usually used falsetto to hit highs because it sounded prettier. I'm sick of idiots saying "hhe could never hit highs live" you morons he did hit highs live, he just didn't use falsetto you idots. It's easier to use that falsetto crutch than not to use it so it really burn me up when cum brains say he was a bad live singer because he didn't use falsetto live.

To let you geniuses who's head this is going over to understand here is what I'm talking about:

Bohemian Rhapsody, 1st vere. Mama just killed a man, put a gun against his head pulled my trigger not he's dead

mama, life has (falsetto --> just begun) but now (falsetto > I've gone and thrown ) it all away. Thats what I mean when I say he used falsetto to hit highs for all who couldnt understand.

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Posted: 24 Nov 06, 15:46 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

In fact, Freddie hit his highest falsetto notes, LIVE, and not in the studio.

Why did he prefer to sing in full voice, instead of those falsetto pasages?

Easy. Volume.

You lose a lot of volume and power singing falsetto instead of full voice.. and LIVE, that's a matter of importance. You can set, and edit the little volume and the dynamics on a song on the mixing stage on the studio. You can't do that live (actually, you can't but it's worthless). Freddie decided to simply sing the high notes fullvoiced, so they can actually be heard.

I had explained something about that in my website, maybe you guys can check it out, and looking forward for future discussions :)

http://www.f-mercury.com.ar

My best regards!
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Posted: 24 Nov 06, 15:58 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Hi, AndresGuazzelli!

Do be sure to check out the thread in the General Forum...

Scandal - Freddie Really a Baritone?
http://queenzone.com/queenzone/forumnew/forum_topic_view.aspx?Q=907222




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Posted: 24 Nov 06, 16:25 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

kdj2hot wrote:

And yet it continues:

I told you idiots (and many others have also pointed it out) his voice sounds different on Innuendo because he got more rest from not touring. His voice got a little deeper during the late 70's and mid 80's because of heavy smoking and probably due to late night partying and heavy touring.

Tone was key in the studio and he usually used falsetto to hit highs because it sounded prettier. I'm sick of idiots saying "hhe could never hit highs live" you morons he did hit highs live, he just didn't use falsetto you idots. It's easier to use that falsetto crutch than not to use it so it really burn me up when cum brains say he was a bad live singer because he didn't use falsetto live.

To let you geniuses who's head this is going over to understand here is what I'm talking about:

Bohemian Rhapsody, 1st vere. Mama just killed a man, put a gun against his head pulled my trigger not he's dead

mama, life has (falsetto --> just begun) but now (falsetto > I've gone and thrown ) it all away. Thats what I mean when I say he used falsetto to hit highs for all who couldnt understand.


Hmm. I was talking about a totally different thing.

I was not referring to Freddie's use of falsetto, which has nothing to do about the fact that his chest-voice was so much more high pitched towards the end of his life.

Just the fact how he hits these notes on songs like Show Must Go On and Innuendo.

By the way, it's quite hard to enjoy the tone of your posting. Why would you need to act like an arrogant fuckker?

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Posted: 24 Nov 06, 16:27 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

beautifulsoup wrote:

Hi, AndresGuazzelli!

Do be sure to check out the thread in the General Forum...

Scandal - Freddie Really a Baritone?
http://queenzone.com/queenzone/forumnew/forum_topic_view.aspx?Q=907222


Done ;)
Thanks for the link :)

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Posted: 24 Nov 06, 16:28 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Its true that Fred could sing Falsetto live, you only have to listen to some of the stuff he done on the works/magic tour to know he could.

What has been said is also true, you lose alot of power...but I don't think that was the main reason.

The simple fact is that when your belting like he nearly always did live, its far harder to switch into falsetto when pushing this note as hard as you can, if you try that then your voice is very likely to just crack and thats something that wouldn't sound too pleasent!


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Posted: 24 Nov 06, 21:04 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Let me point out that also a lot of the times he used vocal harmonies for highs too on pre Mack Queen albums. (example from Good old Fashioned lover boy - I like for you and I to (vocal harmoney ----> go romancing). Thats a response to a postr I read about the TOTP's version of that song being "shit".

When you factor him him almost completely phasing out the use of falsetto in the studio and not using as many vocal harmonies his voice is gonna sound almost drastically different but it really wasnt that different just a lil' deeper.


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Posted: 25 Nov 06, 18:05 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Fred's voice started off with a crystal quality but the power wasn't there. This came around News Of The World- just listen to Spread Your Wings and It's Late. This voice was changed by 1979 after problems in Japan but recovered until 1982 hwne he had power and range on the Hot Space tour.

His lifestyle caused his voice to roughen- early signs came on The Works but listen to Is This The World We Created and it could still be the Fred of the Jazz era ( I think his changed appearance gives the problem of noticing a link with the past!). The tour was his worst for vocals but One vision displays evidence of a real comeback the subtletly had been lost but the raw power returned. His 86 voice was much in this ilk- strained at times but terrifyingly powerful, ideal for stadium rock. A diferent but sound but just as effective as his Hot Space voice.

Increasingly, from 86 we see Freddie's voice develop into a combination of his 70s clarity and 80s power. DTSH sounds like a bootleg from the seventies such is the grace of his delivery, but headlong showcases the throaty strength. His vocie was definitely higher in this period- note his high lead on the title track Innuendo and he could also get down low such as on IGSM so we see greater range, a more varied texture and some of the most impassioned singing anyone has heard in rock.


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