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Posted: 02 Dec 06, 12:17 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Shirley Phelps-Roper. <gag>

At first, I was pissed she was given air time (again). But then I guess people need to see it for themselves. You just can't describe a person like this. Her level of rage, hate and arrogance is incredible.

http://www.break.com/index/crazyfox20.html

From what I understand, there are about 100 'members' of this 'church'. I think they're all related. This woman alone has 8 sons and three daughters. How scary is that?!

They go to soldiers' funerals and scream about the wrath of god and how the slain soldier is going to hell because the military is tolerant of 'fags'. They say America is doomed for her acceptance of gays. They thank god for 9/11 and for AIDS, and... I don't know what else. Aparently, it's all a punishment from a "raging god".

Amazing how 100 people can make so much noise, isn't it?

Here she is with her daughters on the Tyra show.

http://www.break.com/index/crazy_phelps_family_on_tyra.html



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Posted: 02 Dec 06, 12:22 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Luckily, there's a biker-gang that has made a habit of keeping this 'church' away from the funerals, by forming a sort of protective cordon around the progression.

I do wish one of those crazy sect-bastards would try and pick a fight with them. They'd rip the cult-fuckers to shreds, and good riddance!


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Posted: 02 Dec 06, 12:25 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Agreed. People like her should not be allowed to breed.

Zealots of all types frighten me. Religious zealots, left wing zealots, right wing zealots, and guys from Montana.


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Posted: 02 Dec 06, 12:41 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Never before have I heard the word "fag" used so much that I actually felt physically ill.

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Posted: 02 Dec 06, 12:53 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

<font color=red>The Audacity of Charles wrote:

But this just sounds like harassing people, with the real possibility of emotional damage (especially to kids).


Speaking of kids, check this out - it's a transcript from her interview with Hannity and Colmes regarding the Amish school girls killed just weeks ago -

COLMES: You're giving me what sounds like a bunch of talking points. Why would you cause more pain to this community, the Amish community, which, if so not even involved in so much what is considered modern day and these families who have suffered? Do you have any sense of how much additional pain you would be causing these families by protesting at the funeral of these young girls?

PHELPS-ROPER: There isn't any way to fix that situation for them. It's not going to be any less painful if we are there or aren't there. They did that to themselves. And you say they're not involved.

COLMES: What do you mean they did that to themselves?

PHELPS-ROPER: I mean, they sit over to there and create their own form of righteousness, instead of...

COLMES: Did those girls deserve to be killed?

PHELPS-ROPER: Well, they did get killed, and they did that. Who controls the hearts of men? It was at the hand of an angry God those girls are dead.

COLMES: Did they deserve to die?

PHELPS-ROPER: They did deserve to die.

COLMES: How you can possibly make a statement like that?

PHELPS-ROPER: Because that's exactly what happened, and it happened at the hand of the lord your God.

COLMES: How can you possibly say that — how can you possibly say that young girls who have done nothing wrong, who are innocent, who are just a few years old, who have never sinned, who have never done anything, deserve to die? How could you possibly make a statement like that?

PHELPS-ROPER: You told me that you serve the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob who says that when Adam sinned all sinned. There are no innocent human beings. And the parents...

COLMES: You know, you protest funerals of soldiers. You protest funerals of anybody who seems — dies under any circumstances. Anybody who is not a member of your church is a sinner and is hated by God.

PHELPS-ROPER: Don't go to — anyone who is not — if you don't serve God…

COLMES: Who serves God besides people in your church?

PHELPS-ROPER: Well, you tell me. I don't see anyone on the landscape in America.

COLMES: Nobody except people in your church, which is basically your family. A few hundred members of your family are the only people on earth who serve God, and everybody else deserves to die?

PHELPS-ROPER: You need to get out on these streets and warn your neighbors that your sin is taking him to hell, fulfilling the royal law to love your neighbor as yourself.

SEAN HANNITY, CO-HOST: Shirley, you really are a sick woman. You are a sick.

PHELPS-ROPER: Slight cold but thank you.

HANNITY: Twisted human being. Where is your soul that you come on the air and as young innocent girls are going to die and you're going to — you're going to open up the family's wound and pour salt on it? Where is your heart? Where is your soul? Where's your compassion? Where's your love?

PHELPS-ROPER: Our message is for the living, and that is the only loving thing to do.

HANNITY: What about the living families that lost their daughter?

PHELPS-ROPER: They did that to themselves.

HANNITY: No, because some animal killed them in cold blood. The families didn't do it.

PHELPS-ROPER: Who controls the hearts of men?

HANNITY: Do you sin? Did you ever commit adultery? Did you ever sin?

PHELPS-ROPER: Of course not.

HANNITY: Did you ever lust in your heart? Did you ever get angry? Have you ever sinned, Miss Perfect here?

PHELPS-ROPER: Of course, you know that I have sinned, and that's not the point.

HANNITY: You have. So you're a sinner. When you die, would you deserve to die?

PHELPS-ROPER: Well, of course all of us des


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Posted: 02 Dec 06, 13:02 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

They need to just round up these people and cart them off.

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Posted: 02 Dec 06, 15:13 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I really feel for these peoples children, who, by no fauly of their own, are being raised by these animals.

All it would take is a few simple things to rid us of this problem.

1) A Noose
2) A Tree....


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Posted: 02 Dec 06, 15:46 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Apparently, many of the Phelps family members are lawyers. Despite how despicable their behavior is, they know how to keep it legal. Unless some laws are changed, they'll keep doing what they're doing and get away with it.

Just recently, there was a funeral for the first Native American soldier killed in Iraq. The tribe (their word, not mine) ruled against allowing these people on reservation land. The sickos still picketed or whatever they call it (I call it harass) but they had to do it from public land that was much further from their target than they wanted.

Point is, they stray very close to crossing the line but never do so, thus keeping them just to the right of legal.



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Posted: 02 Dec 06, 16:01 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

<font color =BrianJM> RollingBowieQueen wrote:

I just don't understand these homophobes. But I do think Tyra and the Fox people are going about her in the wrong way. If you tell someone like her that she's pathetic, evil, mean, nasty piece of work etc. then they'll get a skewed kind of satisfaction out of saying 'Yes, see? I told you, we are being stifled, cut off. You're all so short-sighted that you can't see what's right in front of you...' and so on.


I felt the same way about the interviews, but I understand the exasperation that led to name-calling. I think it takes a very calm person to deal with her and I do think it would be worth seeing. She rages on and on, and thrives on the aggravation of others. If she's handled differently she might respond differently... but then, what's the point? It's not like it's going to change her beliefs or her actions.

The whole thing is disgusting.

Can you imagine her pitted against Ann Coulter? Ha! What a hoot that would be.




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Posted: 02 Dec 06, 16:06 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

This cult should not be allowed to dwell the earth. Any of their deaths should be applauded.


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Posted: 02 Dec 06, 16:40 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Reading that script really frustrated me. What a fucking robot.


I'm so pissed I could spit.
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Posted: 02 Dec 06, 17:10 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

<font color=purple>Miss James wrote:

When I heard that her church wanted to picket the funeral of all those young Amish girls that were brutally murdered, I was filled with so much disgust and anger. They were calling them whores and saying that it was good that they had died because of what they would become. From their perspective, everyone is going to hell except for them. I wonder what God thinks of their hate and wrathful acts towards others?

I think they are all misinformed and are very disturbed.


Very disturbed indeed.

This was her reply on another show when asked if she felt those children deserved to die (I really have to stop researching this woman and her disgusting quotes) -

Phelps-Roper: "Yes. It's kinder to kill them in their youth than it is for you to let them be full grown, and full-on rebellious - to make their stint in Hell so much more painful."

It seems she made that statement when she appeared on a show in lieu of picketing those funerals. The 'church' was first offered money but that offer was rescinded and a new offer was made - An hour of on-air time in exchange for not picketing the funerals. They agreed and signed a contract with the studio for the hour air time. That contract stipulated a fine of $500,000 if there were picketers near the funerals. The funerals were peaceful.

What kind of message do they really think they're putting out there? Can people like this truly believe what they're spewing or... or... what? I can't imagine the motive for this.



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Posted: 02 Dec 06, 18:01 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I just watched the Tyra video, and she handled the interview very well. Better than any of the other videos I've seen. That video in particular gives us a much better perspective on the situation. It is a conversation - not a battle.

To me, their actions are completely reasonable and make perfect sense. This is a group of people who were raised toward a single particular ideology that is rejected by everyone else in the world outside of those hundred or so people. They espouse this ideology because they believe it and that is all they ever knew.

They are very forceful and frustrated with their message because it is rejected by everyone else. It is very believable that they are terrorized just as much, if not more, than they do to others.

It's very easy for you or me to look upon this and see it as ridiculous, or even insane, but it really isn't that far-fetched.

What do you do when nobody listens to you? You speak louder; you get forceful; you participate in actions that make you stand out. That is basically what they are doing. Imagine if the whole world espoused their ideals. I can guarantee that most of you would then be the one on talk shows everywhere, violently arguing your point, thinking the world had gone mad.

Morality is not a matter of right and wrong; it's a matter of HOW MANY people think things are right and wrong. Unfortunately for this group, their ideals are held by only a hundred or so people, and all others are steadfastly against them, and their invasive nature. It's a situational matter, and even the Dalai Lama would grow into that exact personality if that's what he were raised in. It's very sad.


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Posted: 02 Dec 06, 18:11 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I've heard of this church before, and I heard that it was mostly members of the same family, but I hadn't seen the video and read the interviews...didn't think it was worth my time.
Yes, this is incredibly disturbing. Luckily, they are a minority...they will die out, because even the most extreme right wing religious nuts don't agree with them. I just wish they'd die out quickily.
Whoever said "people" like this shouldn't be allowed to breed....BRAVO! It's like those two little girls who were singing the Nazi songs that their parents taught them...I feel sorry that the children are now screwed up for life after being raised in that kind of hate.
I have two wishes for this group...
1) That I could meet them, they could tell me I was going to hell, and I could respond "I'll see you there"
2) That one of their children turns out to be gay. That way that child will learn not to hate things that can't be changed, and the parents will have to go through the pain of cutting off their own child. It won't change their hatred towards gays, but it will cause them pain to cut their child out of their lives...and long, slow, constant, emotional suffering is what these "people" deserve.
I put "people" in quotes, because I think that calling them members of the human species is too good for them...they don't deserve that lable.


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Posted: 02 Dec 06, 19:16 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

<b><font color=666600>Music Man wrote:


They are very forceful and frustrated with their message because it is rejected by everyone else. It is very believable that they are terrorized just as much, if not more, than they do to others.



They're terrorized? Do you mean because they believe they have to do this in order to get to heaven? And if they don't spread the world they're sinning like the rest of the world? It does make sense when put that way - it's like seeing the pictures of tiny Palestinian children wearing suicide belts. It's what they know, so it's who they'll be.

BUT, these are people with higher educations - they're lawyers - their careers depend on the power of persuasion. Surely they must know the way to influence others is not through harassment but through dialogue.

There seems to be more to this than a goal of spreading the word of god and saving the world. Though if it isn't that, I can't figure out what it is.



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Posted: 02 Dec 06, 19:44 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

We've talked about her in my history class, when we did a current event discussion on the school shoot-out.


Disgusting.


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Posted: 02 Dec 06, 22:26 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

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<b><font color=666600>Music Man wrote:


They are very forceful and frustrated with their message because it is rejected by everyone else. It is very believable that they are terrorized just as much, if not more, than they do to others.



They're terrorized? Do you mean because they believe they have to do this in order to get to heaven? And if they don't spread the world they're sinning like the rest of the world? It does make sense when put that way - it's like seeing the pictures of tiny Palestinian children wearing suicide belts. It's what they know, so it's who they'll be.

BUT, these are people with higher educations - they're lawyers - their careers depend on the power of persuasion. Surely they must know the way to influence others is not through harassment but through dialogue.

There seems to be more to this than a goal of spreading the word of god and saving the world. Though if it isn't that, I can't figure out what it is.


In the Tyra interview, she explicitly stated that they have had property destroyed, etc., by others outraged by their actions, which is very believable. I hope you read my entire post, as it has some very insightful points for someone trying to see the situation from another perspective.

A career in law does not necessarily deal with persuasion. Much of law is rather demonstration. If the plaintiff sees a situation one way, the counsel's job is to present the plaintiff's point of view from a legal standpoint.

In fact, in many instances of law, their entire job revolves around preventing lawsuits, by using their knowledge of the law to ensure that their clients perform legally.

The role of a lawyer can be very misunderstood, especially due to television, movies, and the media. Their role is especially skewed by commonly held negative perceptions of their chosen career, or by a given few attorneys who make their livings through unjust means. People tend to forget that an attorney is a shield, not a sword, and their code of ethics rivals that of doctors and the like.

A job that can require far more persuasive skills would be in politics or marketing.


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Posted: 02 Dec 06, 23:32 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

<b><font color=666600>Music Man wrote:


In the Tyra interview, she explicitly stated that they have had property destroyed, etc., by others outraged by their actions, which is very believable. I hope you read my entire post, as it has some very insightful points for someone trying to see the situation from another perspective.


I did read your entire post (both of them, in fact), and I saw your insightful points. :)

While I do understand the point you made in the first post, I don't see the connection to this family as clearly as you do.

The Phelps family wasn't raised in a world that had suddenly gone mad. Granted the now-adult children were brainwashed, but the elder Phelps', like Shirley, didn't grow up in a world that worshiped the way they do. Their neighbors didn't suddenly lose faith and turn on their god. Instead, this obsession grew inside of them. They turned on their neighbors, not the other way around. Their anger is driven from something within them, not something in the world around them. And it's that, IMO. Anger, not faith.

As for the vandalism to their property, etc., the cause and affect you implied seems reversed. This group's actions were not spurred by the vandalism. Rather, the anger and violence that has been directed toward them, has occurred BECAUSE OF their actions. You can see from some of the comments here - by people not directly affected by this group - that they incite fury. So, one can only imagine the extent a grieving family might go to for payback.

That's part of my issue with this. They are lawyers. They harass people when they're most vulnerable and yet they seem surprised and enraged by the reactions. They stay within the law and those who try to fight back wind up breaking it.

I don't have the sense that you're defending them, so this comment isn't meant that way, but I refuse to excuse their actions. Yes, I'd like to understand, but not because I sympathize. I think that's what Tyra was trying to do - understand. Listening to people, getting a sense of where they're coming from and why, helps a person figure out how to handle them. This group has a weakness; it just hasn't been uncovered yet. Once it is, maybe the families they harass can finally turn the tables on them.



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Posted: 03 Dec 06, 01:26 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Exactly, this behavior is certainly inexcusable in our society. However, it does help to understand the situation. Thanks, you make very good discussion.


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Posted: 03 Dec 06, 11:17 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Excellent points, both of you! I only wish I was around to get into this debate, since it seems to be over.
We need to remember that there are varying degrees of smart. Being a lawyer, just like being a professor or a doctor or anything like that, requires book smarts. Well, book smarts aren't hard to have...in fact I think they are the easiest type of get, all you have to do is read the books and memorize the stuff you need. Hitler had book smarts, and so does this family. That doesn't make them smart by any stretch of the imagination; they are too wrapped up in their own hate and self-righteousness to see that their actions are hurting people. The older members of the family don't give a crap, because they have a victimhood mentality...everyone is against them, so it's ok to lash out and hurt people.
This isn't smart...this is stupidity (as opposed to ignorance), arrogance, hate to the nth degree and what I would venture to call evil.


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