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Posted: 03 Dec 06, 16:51 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Hey.

I was getting some U2 tabs on the internet and I found a tab for the song Until The End Of The World. In the beginning it says I should tune the guitar half a step down and put a capo on the 3rd fret.

Now, what's the difference between doing that and just putting a capo on the 2nd fret without changing the tuning?

BTW, on Friday I might spend some time in a guitar shop (to finally buy my guitar, after dreaming with it for SO long), and I want to buy some other shit too.

So I'll use the thread and ask other two questions:

What kind of slide should I go for?
What kind of capo should I go for?

Many thanks in advance!!

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Posted: 03 Dec 06, 17:47 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

That tab is from a live performance. It is likely that his guitar is downtuned for the bulk of the performance, but this particular song called for a capo on the second fret in standard tuning. Since he was downtuned, he probably just put the capo on the third fret.

Like most tabs, I suggest finding and learning from the guitar pro tab.


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Posted: 03 Dec 06, 18:23 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Hey, thanks, Music Man!

In fact, since I got Guitar Pro 5 to see your Native Son tab (it's great! thank you so much!) I've always looked for a Guitar Pro version of any song rather than a plain text tab, but sometimes I'm a bit unlucky. I never found a Guitar Pro version of Until The End Of The World, but I never really bothered, because of the capo thing, but now that I'm FINALLY getting an electric guitar and some guitar gear, I thought I'd ask. :)


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Posted: 03 Dec 06, 18:25 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

which guitar gear are you gonna buy?


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Posted: 04 Dec 06, 07:16 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

M a t i a s M a y<h6><i>QZ's Rainmaker wrote:

which guitar gear are you gonna buy?

Besides the guitar itself and an amp, I'll buy a capo, a slide and anything else the salesperson convinces me to buy. :-P

I'm thinking of getting myself a Wah pedal, I'm just not sure yet if it's worth or not.


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Posted: 04 Dec 06, 09:35 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

"Capo" Reminds me of... CAPO EEEEEEEEEEE. Sorry. xD

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Posted: 04 Dec 06, 09:51 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

<font color="#FF00FF">its_a_hard_life wrote:

"Capo" Reminds me of... CAPO EEEEEEEEEEE. Sorry. xD

Oh... My...

You hijacked my thread! *shocked*

How dare you? :-O


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<font color="lime">KillerKing840 wrote:

M a t i a s M a y<h6><i>QZ's Rainmaker wrote:

which guitar gear are you gonna buy?

Besides the guitar itself and an amp, I'll buy a capo, a slide and anything else the salesperson convinces me to buy. :-P

I'm thinking of getting myself a Wah pedal, I'm just not sure yet if it's worth or not.


I'd recommend, if you have to money for it, one of those multi-effects pedals....Korg makes some really nice ones (one of which I have, the AX100G!)....


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Posted: 04 Dec 06, 12:42 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Guitars are gay. Flutes are cooler.


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Posted: 04 Dec 06, 12:50 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

<font color="lime">KillerKing840 wrote:

M a t i a s M a y<h6><i>QZ's Rainmaker wrote:

which guitar gear are you gonna buy?

Besides the guitar itself and an amp, I'll buy a capo, a slide and anything else the salesperson convinces me to buy. :-P

I'm thinking of getting myself a Wah pedal, I'm just not sure yet if it's worth or not.
you could buy a distortion pedal first, it's always a good choice as they are cheap and really useful.


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Posted: 04 Dec 06, 16:01 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

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<font color="lime">KillerKing840 wrote:

M a t i a s M a y<h6><i>QZ's Rainmaker wrote:

which guitar gear are you gonna buy?

Besides the guitar itself and an amp, I'll buy a capo, a slide and anything else the salesperson convinces me to buy. :-P

I'm thinking of getting myself a Wah pedal, I'm just not sure yet if it's worth or not.
you could buy a distortion pedal first, it's always a good choice as they are cheap and really useful.


I would get the wah pedal. Most amps come with a built-in distortion, and I'm guessing that at this point in time, you are more focused on technique over fine-tuning your tone. If you get the wah pedal, you can learn how to use it and develop your skill. But a wah pedal will generally cost you around $100, whereas you can get a good distortion/overdrive/etc. pedal for half that.


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Posted: 05 Dec 06, 05:34 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Thank you Matias and Brian for the advices (specially Brian for all those advices on MSN).

Are those multieffects pedals really good, or are they inferior to single effect ones?


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Posted: 05 Dec 06, 10:28 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

well... they're pretty useful for a beginner, you can find some really cool things there

but don't spend too much on them, a cheap one will do


is like buying a ferrari before you start taking drive lessons... you might change your mind and want another car, but you spent the money on the ferrari.


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Posted: 05 Dec 06, 15:10 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

<font color="lime">Raf840 wrote:

Thank you Matias and Brian for the advices (specially Brian for all those advices on MSN).

Are those multieffects pedals really good, or are they inferior to single effect ones?


Here is where we invoke the guitarists' time honored rule of thumb: you get what you pay for.

If you pay a lot of money for a multieffects pedal, it's going to be good. If you don't, it'll be like Matias said - it'll be fun and all, and great to try things out, but nothing you can really depend on. Since the expensive ones are REALLY expensive, I don't think it would be a wise investment at this point in time.

So comparing them to single effects pedals, it's kind of like buying the parts of a computer vs. buying the whole computer at once. If you buy expensive parts, they'll be the equivalent of parts that would be used in an expensive computer. If you buy cheap parts, they'll be the equivalent of parts that would be used in a cheap computer. In the end, you'll have essentially the same thing, except the one you made will be customized to you, but the one made for you will have everything you want, and then some. Also, you can gradually add more things to the former, and build it slowly. With the latter, you have to get it all at the same time.


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Posted: 05 Dec 06, 15:34 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

learn to play first, then buy the toys.

You can't simulate plugging a Ric straight into a Vox or a Strat into a Marshall amp.

$100 in lessons will go a lot further than $200 of footpedals. Plus as you get better, you'll realize the stuff you bought was junk and want to get the real thing. Trust me. Danelectro foot pedals. Morley Wah Pedals. Digitech processors. Peavey anything. Been there, done that.

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Posted: 05 Dec 06, 15:54 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

¼Microwave wrote:

learn to play first, then buy the toys.

You can't simulate plugging a Ric straight into a Vox or a Strat into a Marshall amp.

$100 in lessons will go a lot further than $200 of footpedals. Plus as you get better, you'll realize the stuff you bought was junk and want to get the real thing. Trust me. Danelectro foot pedals. Morley Wah Pedals. Digitech processors. Peavey anything. Been there, done that.


I half agree with him, but the other half of me says that buying nice toys every once in a while will keep you interested in the instrument, and will keep the instrument new and fun. Other "toys" can have a positive technical impact on the guitarist, such as the wah pedal. Unlike most pedals, the wah is a skill that must be learned, much like every other technique on the guitar. The glass slide as well.


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Posted: 05 Dec 06, 16:04 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

yes, you're right. I just see a lot of young players "covering up" their tone and not seeing the mistakes they're making because the Hyper Metal Fuzz Distortion caused a delay in the flange when my octave pedal was on "tremolo".

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¼Microwave wrote:

yes, you're right. I just see a lot of young players "covering up" their tone and not seeing the mistakes they're making because the Hyper Metal Fuzz Distortion caused a delay in the flange when my octave pedal was on "tremolo".


Very, very true...but if the guitar isn't fun, then what is it for?


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Posted: 05 Dec 06, 18:16 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Well, I won't be spending lots of money anyway. It was hard work to convince my parents to spend some money on a pretty cheap guitar... So I don't think they would actually want to buy more equipment if it's gonna cost as much as the guitar, or even more than the guitar. ;)




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