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Posted: 04 Dec 06, 09:32 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I'm going to purchase japan CDs. They are expensive, but I suppose they recorded with better quality them original. (Remastered etc).

Is it true?

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Posted: 04 Dec 06, 10:19 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

In the vinyl-days, yes, Japanese pressings were significantly better then whatever other pressing.
Mainly because the quality of the vinyl they used was superiour.

In the digital era, on cd, there is no difference anymore. The same masters are used worldwide and a cd is a cd. There is no good cd or a bad cd or anything in between like the vinyl.

The only appealing plus on Japanese releases these days is the extra booklets, the obi-strip and of course the bonus tracks.

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Posted: 04 Dec 06, 10:23 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

http://www.amazon.com/Day-At-Races-%2B2-Remixed/dp/B000000OA8/sr=8-1/qid=1165245624/ref=sr_1_1/102-2701275-7420938?ie=UTF8&s=music

Standard disc $12.99
Audio CD (March 5, 1991)
Original Release Date: February 22, 1991


http://www.amazon.com/Day-at-Races-Queen/dp/B00016ZQX4/sr=8-7/qid=1165245686/ref=sr_1_7/102-2701275-7420938?ie=UTF8&s=music

Japan Edition $45.49
Audio CD (April 13, 2004)
Original Release Date: December 18, 1976
Number of Discs: 1
Format: Import, Limited Edition, Original recording remastered

2004 VS 1991(1976)


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Posted: 04 Dec 06, 10:25 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

It looks like japan remastered all old albums.


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Posted: 04 Dec 06, 10:47 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I thought your question was in general.
In this case: yes, these discs feature remasters that are exclusive to the Japanese cd's.

BUT THAT DOES NOT MEAN THEY ARE BETTER!

Although if you like a remaster or not is always a matter of personal taste - some of these are just plain awefull. On the other hand, some are realy good!

My quick survey, by heart:
Queen I - Good
Queen II - Very good
SHA - very good
ANATO - the new euro one is better
ADATR - good enough
NOTW - good
Jazz - good
The Game - reasonable
Flash - nothing spectacular, decent enough
Hot Space - decent
The Works - doubtfull
Magic - doubtfull
Miracle - awesome!
Innuendo - utter CRAP!
Made in Heaven - doubtfull

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Posted: 04 Dec 06, 10:51 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

It was general question, because I have all standard CDs in my collection than now I thinking abouyt this japans products. They remada all albums and I need to know - is it realy different than old ones or no?


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Posted: 04 Dec 06, 10:58 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

>ANATO - the new euro one is better
What you mean euro? 30th univ edition?


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Posted: 04 Dec 06, 11:04 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

That's the one indeed!




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Posted: 04 Dec 06, 11:08 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

BTW
http://www.dvdactive.com/reviews/music/queen-a-night-at-the-opera.html

Good review about this re-issue.


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Posted: 04 Dec 06, 11:34 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

If you have the old EMI first cd issues then YES there is a BIG difference with the remasters. Especially with all the older albums.

If you have the Hollywood Records or Digital Remasters series editions then NO the difference is not so big.
(Lots of people would probably not even notice the differences - you need to be an audiophiliac to REALY hear the difference.)

With a few exeptions:
Miracle sounds significantly better. It's fuller, fatter and more powerfull.
Magic and Works sound less good and Innuendo is just realy realy horrible. The production of this album is already thin to begin with (like everything from the early 90's!), but for this remaster they took out a lot of the 'middle', which makes the whole album sound very weak, light and empty.

Oh, and 'yes' the 30th anniversary version was the ANATO I meant :-)

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Posted: 04 Dec 06, 11:40 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

In 1991 all albums were re-release but were not re-mastered. I did not see Queen II or Queen re-masterd fro EMI or Hollywood record. But Japan did it. I was in store yesterday - yes I saw couple disks like Live Killers with re-mastered stickers, but not them all. If you look in amazon - you can not find re-mastered Miracle from EMI or Hollywood records because they did not do this work. (the same about Innuendo and etc).

Sorry for my English.

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Posted: 04 Dec 06, 11:46 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B000000OBN/hollywoodreco-20/

Miracle from Hollywood records $13.98
Audio CD (October 22, 1991)
Original Release Date: June 6, 1989

http://www.amazon.com/Miracle-Queen/dp/B00005O5U8/sr=1-2/qid=1165250634/ref=pd_bbs_sr_2/102-2701275-7420938?ie=UTF8&s=music

Audio CD (October 24, 2001) $36.49
Number of Discs: 1
Format: Original recording remastered, Import

http://www.amazon.com/Miracle-Queen/dp/B00016ZQZC/sr=1-5/qid=1165250668/ref=sr_1_5/102-2701275-7420938?ie=UTF8&s=music

Audio CD (July 20, 2004) $45.99
Original Release Date: June 6, 1989
Number of Discs: 1
Format: Import, Limited Edition, Original recording remastered

2th and 3rd - the same I think, just different papers. But HR firs one - it's old one.




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Posted: 04 Dec 06, 11:56 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

gastelllo wrote:

In 1991 all albums were re-release but were not re-mastered. I did not see Queen II or Queen re-masterd fro EMI or Hollywood record.
===>Yes, they WERE released! Queen and Queen II BOTH have appeared as Hollywood records and also Digital Remasters!!

But Japan did it. I was in store yesterday - yes I saw couple disks like Live Killers with re-mastered stickers, but not them all. If you look in amazon - you can not find re-mastered Miracle from EMI or Hollywood records because they did not do this work. (the same about Innuendo and etc).
--->True. There IS a Hollywood version of both the discs. But officially they have the same masters as the EMI/Parlophone versions. (Though I Want It All has a different version on the first pressing on Hollywood - by mistake!)
Untill a couple of years ago it was useless to remaster them because they were so recent albums. They were supposed to be up to the newest standard already.



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Posted: 04 Dec 06, 12:03 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

>Queen and Queen II BOTH have appeared as
>Hollywood records and also Digital Remasters!!

No information about it.


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Posted: 04 Dec 06, 12:05 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Hollywood Records DID remaster all albums up to (but obviously not including) INNUENDO in 1991. Then Parlophone released its own 'Digital Master Series' in 1993/4 including all albums to THE WORKS. And then were the 1998 remasters, made only in Japan and USA, comprising from QUEEN to THE GAME. And then the 2001... This is getting sooo boring now!

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Posted: 04 Dec 06, 12:14 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

http://forums.queenonline.com/viewtopic.php?t=36885

This is message about my question.


1991 EMI added bonus only. NO Remastered!
1994 EMI did remasterd in Europe and Japan,
2001: All albums re-issued in Japan on CD in with improved sound quality.
2004: All albums re-issued in Japan on CD (using the 2001 remasters). "Mini Vinyls", card sleeve. QOL Shop: Mini Vinyls

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Queen albums 1973-1995
Timeline for CD releases:

1984-1985: Greatest Hits I on CD for the first time.

1986: Albums 1973-1986 are released on CD for the first time.

1989: The Miracle released on CD for the first time.

1991: Innuendo released on CD for the first time.

1991: USA CD re-issues with bonus tracks (Hollywood Records)

1991: Greatest Hits II on CD for the first time. QOL Shop

1992: Live At Wembley -86 on CD for the first time.

1994: All albums re-issued on CD in Europe and Japan. (EMI Digital Remaster Series) QOL Shop

1994: Greatest Hits I re-issued on CD in Europe and Japan. QOL Shop

1995: Made In Heaven on CD for the first time. QOL Shop

1996: Live Magic released in the USA on CD.

1998: Albums (1973-1978) re-issued in Japan on CD with a card sleeve. "Mini vinyls".

1998: MFSL issues in the USA. (Different sleeve and gold CD.) MFSL

2001: All albums re-issued in Japan on CD in with improved sound quality.

2003: Live Killers re-issued in September 2003 in Europe with the same quality as the Japanese 2001 re-issue. QOL Shop

2003: Live At Wembley -86 re-issued in the USA and Europe with improved sound quality, new sleeve. QOL Shop

2004: All albums re-issued in Japan on CD (using the 2001 remasters). "Mini Vinyls", card sleeve. QOL Shop: Mini Vinyls

2005: A Night At The Opera remastered version for its 30th anniversary. QOL Shop

2005: A Night At The Opera Collector`s Edition (CD+DVD), remastered for its 30th anniversary.
CD: Remastered. DVD: Studio album presented in both DTS 5.1 Surround Sound and the re-mastered stereo mix. QOL Shop






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Posted: 04 Dec 06, 13:40 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

"1998: MFSL issues in the USA. (Different sleeve and gold CD.) MFSL"

re-issues perhaps but I bought these in 1993

Everyone's opinion is going to differ of course.. for example "The Miracle" sounding fatter and better.. that's because they re-EQ'd it and cut down the midrange which some won't find so pleasing.. it's a matter of listening preference.

I've tried to answer these topics several times with comparisons and such, but it really comes down to each series of releases having advantages and disadvantages.

I would recommend the 2001 Japanese remasters because overall the sound is decent, and if you get them in the 2004 card sleeves (paper jackets, mini-LP, whatever) it makes a very nice collection I think.

I don't recommend buying from places such as Amazon though. It's slightly cheaper to import them yourself from www.hmv.co.jp (allow cookies and select the English option) or http://www.cdjapan.co.jp.

Back in 2004, even with rather expensive FedEx shipping from Japan (which HMV has now dropped in favor of EMS) I got them all at just under $30 each, which is a much better deal than starting at $35 plus shipping to have them pre-imported. But I'm speaking only for Americans.. in the UK they were imported and shipped to stores for local sales.



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Posted: 04 Dec 06, 13:51 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I found 2004 Japan Edition CDs on ebay for $15 each yesterday. Not all but five of them. Amazon offer this stuff for $45-50 but it looks like same stuff. I bought one of them (ebay) and waiting for delivery.


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Posted: 04 Dec 06, 14:14 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Yeah, Ebay is also a good option. I have nothing against Amazon in general.. I use them all the time, but when it comes to most imports they really take advantage of people with their prices.

CD Universe is slightly better at times. They even had domestic-like prices for the new Freddie releases before Hollywood finally put the CD out. And I've seen the card sleeves there for under $30 before which is much more reasonable.

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Posted: 04 Dec 06, 14:15 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I think miniLP japane 2004 edition - best purchase for now.


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