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Posted: 24 Jan 07, 18:24 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote


I came across this website http://sebastian.queenconcerts.com/a-bd.htm and I enjoyed it very much. Although I agree with many points made with regards to song writing, instrumentation & over all reviews, I just wanted to add my opinions in brief. I welcome everyone’s opinions.
*****(Classic) ****(Excellent) ***(Good) **(Fair) *(Poor) = overall album ratings.

Queen I **1/2
Considering what they went through to record this album, it’s a nice debut. The drum sound isn’t quite developed and sounds a little dated.
Strongest song: “Keep your self alive”
Weakest song: None

Queen II ****
Probably one of the best follow ups of all time. They find their signature and set the bar for future releases. The sonic textures, complexity & performances are all there. Although the over all mood on this album is dark, it only adds to sophistication and allure.
Strongest song: “March of the black queen”
Weakest song: “Loser in the end”

Sheer heart attack ***1/2
Although many consider this offering to be one of their best, I find it to sound a bit unfinished or unfocused. Probably because of what they were going through at the time with Brian’s illness and they way that it was recorded. Although “Brighton rock” worked well as live song, here it sounds labored. The album should have opened with “In the lap of the gods” instead. “Dear friends” sounds like a demo rather than a proper recording and “She makes me” I find just plain boring.
Strongest song: “Killer queen”
Weakest song: “She makes me”

A night at the opera *****
What can I say that hasn’t already been said of this? A true masterpiece.
Strongest song: “Bohemian rhapsody”
Weakest song: “Sweet lady”

A day at the races *****
This album never seems to get the recognition it so richly deserves. Every bit as good as it’s predecessor and in some ways better. My personal favorite.
Strongest song: “Somebody to love”
Weakest song: “Drowse”


News of the world ***
A solid record. One of their minimalist period. Some of the songs sound like demos (Spread your wings, My melancholy blues & Sleeping on the sidewalk) but the depth and drive are still present. I find the track listing a bit odd. I would list the song in the following order:
1. We will rock you
2. Sheer heart attack
3. Get down make love
4. Spread your wings
5. Sleeping on the sidewalk
6. My melancholy blues

7. It’s late
8. Who needs you
9. All dead, all dead
10. Fight from the inside
11. We are the champions
Strongest song: “It’s late”
Weakest song: “Who needs you”


Jazz **1/2
I always found this album to be uninspired and somewhat stale. Almost like they were simply going through the motions. Some of the songs sound flat & unfocused. Not really sure why Roy Thomas Baker was even there. It doesn’t seem like his touch is anywhere to be found. Again the track listing seems odd, like there wasn’t much thought put into it. I would have opened the album up with “Let me entertain you” instead of “Mustapha.
Strongest song: “Don’t stop me now”
Weakest song: “More of that jazz”

Live Killers ***
Their greatest hits live at that point. Would have been nice if they had included something new on it.

The Game ***1/2
This album has always sounded tight & compressed to me. Gone is the vastness & grandeur they became famous for. Starting to incorporate what was happening around them instead of forging new ground. This is their turning point.
Strongest song: “Crazy little thing called love” (Tough choice)
Weakest song: “Don’t try suicide”

Flash Gordon *1/2
Sounds like a soundtrack album of its time. Nothing special.

Hot space ½
I am all for artist trying new things, but there is nothing new here. All you have here is bad disco recorded with no heart, soul or inspiration. The production quality is just plain awful. It’s hard to believe that same group who gave us “Bo Rap” also gave us “Body language”. I will admit the live versions of “Staying power,


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Posted: 24 Jan 07, 18:45 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I disagree with most of your opinions. I feel that you haven't heard enough to really grade the albums. Some of them have to be heard like 250 times, and then it's really great. And it's those songs witch really are the best!

An example for me personally: I had Innuendo for about 12 years and I always hated "Delilah" like you do, but now I think that song is just great. One of the best on the album in fact. But that is of course my opinion...

And you should really listen to Queen (1) a great deal of times more! You gave it 2 out of 5, and that's a serious low score for that album. It's a masterpiece.. (I think).


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Posted: 24 Jan 07, 23:04 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

First of all, I wouldn't lend much credence to a 'music review' that uses the word "greatness".

"Warmed up leftovers and it sounds that way too."

I think its unfortunate you feel that way about A Winter's Tale, it's a very nice song. I think its also a bit sad that Mother Love gets lumped in with warmed up leftovers ...

"A kind of magic *
Strongest song: None
Weakest song: all of them"

Come on!! If you can't at least *chuckle* at Princes of the Universe, you're just missing out. As for Who Wants to Live Forever - I never liked the live version (the sped up solo just annoyed me, too much John Deacon) but that songs great.

The rest of your reviews aren't anything new, so I feel you'd probably find a bunch of people who agree with you.


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Posted: 25 Jan 07, 00:28 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

ITSM wrote:

I disagree with most of your opinions. I feel that you haven't heard enough to really grade the albums. Some of them have to be heard like 250 times, and then it's really great. And it's those songs witch really are the best!

An example for me personally: I had Innuendo for about 12 years and I always hated "Delilah" like you do, but now I think that song is just great. One of the best on the album in fact. But that is of course my opinion...

And you should really listen to Queen (1) a great deal of times more! You gave it 2 out of 5, and that's a serious low score for that album. It's a masterpiece.. (I think).
It's funny people on this site complain about "the rolling stone" putting down Queen, I think queenzone is even worse than that magazine. It amazes me that a queen fan would write such trash. I agree with this post. The first queen album is a masterpiece and SHeer heart attack is near perfection. I also didn't like delilah at first, but now I like it a lot.

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Posted: 25 Jan 07, 12:55 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Zebonka12 wrote:

First of all, I wouldn't lend much credence to a 'music review' that uses the word "greatness".

"Warmed up leftovers and it sounds that way too."

I think its unfortunate you feel that way about A Winter's Tale, it's a very nice song. I think its also a bit sad that Mother Love gets lumped in with warmed up leftovers ...

"A kind of magic *
Strongest song: None
Weakest song: all of them"

Come on!! If you can't at least *chuckle* at Princes of the Universe, you're just missing out. As for Who Wants to Live Forever - I never liked the live version (the sped up solo just annoyed me, too much John Deacon) but that songs great.

The rest of your reviews aren't anything new, so I feel you'd probably find a bunch of people who agree with you.

Thank you for your reply. I don't feel that way about "A winters tale". The entire feel of that record (Made in Heaven) just sounds unbalanced and it's pretty much just a bunch of leftovers.
I stand by my assesment of "A kind of magic" everytime I listen to it I find it boring.


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Posted: 25 Jan 07, 15:43 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

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Posted: 25 Jan 07, 15:54 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Much of my friends absolutely hate queen (but then the bands they like can be positively called sh... something coming out of an arse anyway), but they all agree Princes of the Universe and One Vision is an ace song, and so I would give much more credit to a Kind of Majic, but then thats me. I would also give much more credit to Drowse, which in some ways, is my favorite song, but then Ive had the album for a long time, and would say a ngiht at the opera is no better than Queen 1. I have to say I find it quite intressting many of the weakest songs are sung by Roger Taylor.

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Posted: 25 Jan 07, 16:04 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Because we are Queen fans, our first instinct is to stand up for Queen, and tell Louvox that he's out of his mind. However, when we take our personal blinders off and assess Queen's music on an innovative, creative, and commercial level, I generally agree with Louvox's reviews. He is right on the money.

Queen found their sound by ANATO, and continued to be an innovative force in rock music with their next two albums. They had their heyday in the US with the commercial sound of The Game. While songs like Las Palabras de Amor, Radio Ga Ga, Hammer To Fall, Princes Of The Universe, The Miracle, Breakthru, and Scandal are great, Queen essentially rehashed their old ideas and did what they could to keep up with the pop culture of the 80s. Indeed they found much success in many parts of the world. They returned to form for Innuendo, but perhaps a bit too late, as they surely lost many fans in the 80s, especially in North America. MIH, as much as I love it and have emotional connection to it, is indeed a mix of leftovers when it comes down to it. The live albums are pretty good, but nothing groundbreaking like Frampton Comes Alive, LZ's How The West Was Won, or The Who's Live At Leeds.

When introducing someone to Queen albums, it's ANATO, ADATR, NOTW, and Innuendo that I recommend first. If they like all those, I then recommend a few of the other stronger ones, like SHA, Jazz, or The Miracle, because I'm a Queen fan, but it doesn't come near those four.



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Posted: 25 Jan 07, 16:14 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

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I'm sorry but I disagree with several of your reviews.

Hot Space never seems to get the respect it deserves. True Cool Cat and Body Language are not good but it's a good album overall.

A Kind of Magic, while not their best moment, has at least 2 great songs on it. A Kind of Magic and Who Wants to Live Forever are great songs.

I don't think it's fair to label MIH as just a bunch of leftovers. A better criticism of the album would be that much of the material was previously released in one way or another. You Don't Fool Me also always seems to get a bad rap. I think it's one of the best songs on the album with a great solo by Brian.



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Posted: 25 Jan 07, 16:56 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote:

Because we are Queen fans, our first instinct is to stand up for Queen, and tell Louvox that he's out of his mind. However, when we take our personal blinders off and assess Queen's music on an innovative, creative, and commercial level, I generally agree with Louvox's reviews. He is right on the money.

Queen found their sound by ANATO, and continued to be an innovative force in rock music with their next two albums. They had their heyday in the US with the commercial sound of The Game. While songs like Las Palabras de Amor, Radio Ga Ga, Hammer To Fall, Princes Of The Universe, The Miracle, Breakthru, and Scandal are great, Queen essentially rehashed their old ideas and did what they could to keep up with the pop culture of the 80s. Indeed they found much success in many parts of the world. They returned to form for Innuendo, but perhaps a bit too late, as they surely lost many fans in the 80s, especially in North America. MIH, as much as I love it and have emotional connection to it, is indeed a mix of leftovers when it comes down to it. The live albums are pretty good, but nothing groundbreaking like Frampton Comes Alive, LZ's How The West Was Won, or The Who's Live At Leeds.

When introducing someone to Queen albums, it's ANATO, ADATR, NOTW, and Innuendo that I recommend first. If they like all those, I then recommend a few of the other stronger ones, like SHA, Jazz, or The Miracle, because I'm a Queen fan, but it doesn't come near those four.
Thank you for your reply. I did not post this to imply that I had better taste or that one era of thier music was better than the other. It's simply my opinion. We all have different tastes. I was not trying to get everyone to agree with either. I am an ardent Queen fan as are most on this site, so yes it's only natural come to the defence of something you are fond of. I am not knocking anybody for thier particular taste in music. My biggest problem (for lack of a beeter term) with Queen in the 80's is that they became "followers" rather than leaders. Instead of taking in new styles and making it thier own, they simply copied what was going on at that time. They had a few good moments, but for the most part thier later material was week. As I said it just my opinion. I welcome everyone yours too.


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Posted: 25 Jan 07, 17:05 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Again it's the typical "I hate anything eighties" attitude that I find hard to understand.Ok, they probably didn't scale their earlier heights but they kept their audience by combining contemparory trends with their old anthemic touch- no better is that demonstrated on the magnificent Radio Ga Ga.

People have to move on, Louvox, and Queen did so sucessfully. What are you advcating here; Freddie in a catsuit aged 40 with long hair and painted finger nails? Do you propose Queen should just have ignored synthesisers and become an irrelevant parody of themselves? Do you propose that a la Staus Quo they should have just banged out rock n roll without trying any dance styles too?

I agree with you that Innuendo was a return to form but to castigate the eighties as synth mush is wrong. Queen never became anything like Foreigner or any of that AOR synth rock trash. For the most part, even on AKOM, synths sounded subtle, augmenting their music. I respect your view but I can't agree with it


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Posted: 25 Jan 07, 17:08 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I will agree however that their eighties songs sounded better live. I'm not saying AKOM was like ANATO. I'm just saying there was some merit in it too.


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ITSM wrote:

I disagree with most of your opinions. I feel that you haven't heard enough to really grade the albums. Some of them have to be heard like 250 times, and then it's really great. And it's those songs witch really are the best!

An example for me personally: I had Innuendo for about 12 years and I always hated "Delilah" like you do, but now I think that song is just great. One of the best on the album in fact. But that is of course my opinion...

And you should really listen to Queen (1) a great deal of times more! You gave it 2 out of 5, and that's a serious low score for that album. It's a masterpiece.. (I think).

Thank you for your opinion. I have listen every Queen album on an average of at least 200 times with open ear mind you. I gave Queen I 2 and a half stars mainly beacuse of the sound & production value. It a good debut. I like all the songs on it. Innuendo is a great record. The song "Delilah" just sounds silly to me because of the lyrics


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Again it's the typical "I hate anything eighties" attitude that I find hard to understand.Ok, they probably didn't scale their earlier heights but they kept their audience by combining contemparory trends with their old anthemic touch- no better is that demonstrated on the magnificent Radio Ga Ga.

People have to move on, Louvox, and Queen did so sucessfully. What are you advcating here; Freddie in a catsuit aged 40 with long hair and painted finger nails? Do you propose Queen should just have ignored synthesisers and become an irrelevant parody of themselves? Do you propose that a la Staus Quo they should have just banged out rock n roll without trying any dance styles too?

I agree with you that Innuendo was a return to form but to castigate the eighties as synth mush is wrong. Queen never became anything like Foreigner or any of that AOR synth rock trash. For the most part, even on AKOM, synths sounded subtle, augmenting their music. I respect your view but I can't agree with it

Thank you for your opinion. First of all I don't hate the 80's although there was a lot of crappy music that came from that era, but the same could be said for any other era.There were some great albums that come from the 80's. U2 "The Jashua Tree" just to name one. Second I never said that Queen should keep doing the same thing over and over or not try to be contemparory. What they failed to do in my opinion is take in what was going on and make it their own. Instead they simlpy copied what was going on. They used to be leaders and they suddenly became followers.
I quite enjoy the live versions of their 80's stuff. They sound much more rock and edgier.


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Second I never said that Queen should keep doing the same thing over and over or not try to be contemparory. What they failed to do in my opinion is take in what was going on and make it their own. Instead they simlpy copied what was going on. They used to be leaders and they suddenly became followers.
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Well you have a point there,but I think Ga Ga, IWTB and FWBF are decent examples of contemparory mixed with Queen's anthemic style. I'm not saying their work was neccesarily as good as in the seventies but the fact that they remained as successful on the whole in the 1980s points to them doing something right.


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I have to agree with the opinion of Jazz, no prescence of roy thomas baker, but too say no good songs on magic especially who wants to live forever, is wrong for me

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I have to agree with the opinion of Jazz, no prescence of roy thomas baker, but too say no good songs on magic especially who wants to live forever, is wrong for me


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Posted: 28 Jan 07, 01:51 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

who wants to live forever and princess of the universe don't sound like anybody but queen. Name one other artist from the 80's that sounds like "it's a hard life" or "hammer to falls" "one vision" these songs only sound like queen. The popular stuff from the eighties were michael jackson, boy george, duran duran. Eighties queen sounds nothing like any of that.

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There are good and bad points amongst Hot Space/The Works/A Kind Of Magic/The Miracle albums - but as a complete work, I feel Queen hit their 80s peak with The Game, and peaked in America as a whole with that record. The next (and last) classic album didn't materialise until Innuendo eleven years later.

The 80s were obviously a difficult period in some ways - less material recorded, no American tours after 1982 and many individual solo projects.

In terms of their sound, I think that is simply illustrated by looking at the lack of heavier songs produced over the 6 albums (listed below)...

Need Your Loving Tonight
Battle Theme/The Hero
Put Out The Fire
Tear It Up
Hammer To Fall
Princes Of The Universe
I Want It All

Looking at the discography as a whole, there was a discussion here a while back as to whether there is such a thing as a "perfect" Queen album. I don't think there is from start to finish, but Sheer Heart Attack is still their best work for me.







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<font color=maroon>bitesthedust wrote:

There are good and bad points amongst Hot Space/The Works/A Kind Of Magic/The Miracle albums - but as a complete work, I feel Queen hit their 80s peak with The Game, and peaked in America as a whole with that record. The next (and last) classic album didn't materialise until Innuendo eleven years later.

The 80s were obviously a difficult period in some ways - less material recorded, no American tours after 1982 and many individual solo projects.

In terms of their sound, I think that is simply illustrated by looking at the lack of heavier songs produced over the 6 albums (listed below)...

Need Your Loving Tonight
Battle Theme/The Hero
Put Out The Fire
Tear It Up
Hammer To Fall
Princes Of The Universe
I Want It All

Looking at the discography as a whole, there was a discussion here a while back as to whether there is such a thing as a "perfect" Queen album. I don't think there is from start to finish, but Sheer Heart Attack is still their best work for me.





it's a shame that you say that. "there's no such thing as a perfect queen album" I disagree, the first 5 albums were perfect in my eye's. except "loser in the end" is weaker. I do agree that "the game" is Queens peak in the 80's but the second side of that album let's us down a bit. It could have been the perfect 80's album. It's funny you mention the lack of heavier songs in the eighties like "tear it up" and "put out the fire" I actually think these are the weaker songs on their respective albums.