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Posted: 29 Jan 07, 15:13 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I am very interested in family history (or genealogy - it's the same thing) but, here in the UK we have to wait 100 years before Census returns can be published.

The next UK census due to be released is the 1911 returns on Jan 2012.

However, Downing Street is offering a petition for BRITISH CITIZENS, EXPATRIATES and ARMED FORCES to sign, which would reduce the census release period to 70 years, thus making the 1911, 1921 and 1931 censuses available online immediately. If you would like to add your name, please copy and paste this link onto your browser or just click on it and
fill in your details.

http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/CensusInfoFreed/






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Posted: 29 Jan 07, 15:16 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Screw genealogy; census returns are invaluable for the reconstruction of British society by social historians!!!! Sign this petition if you know what's good for ya!


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Posted: 29 Jan 07, 15:24 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

ThomasQuinn wrote:

...census returns are invaluable for the reconstruction of British society by social historians...


So is that a good thing or a bad thing Thomas?


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Posted: 29 Jan 07, 15:30 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

John S Stuart wrote:

ThomasQuinn wrote:

...census returns are invaluable for the reconstruction of British society by social historians...


So is that a good thing or a bad thing Thomas?


LOL. Unless you had anything to do with the shaping of society at the time, I'd say it's a good thing :P


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Posted: 29 Jan 07, 15:47 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

John S Stuart wrote:

I am very interested in family history (or genealogy - it's the same thing) but, here in the UK we have to wait 100 years before Census returns can be published.


I'm interested in genealogy too. I'm searching for Solan dudes and dudettes back there in Ireland. The first Solan's left in early 1800's.

Any idea if I can peep on those records? I have no time right now to take a deep look.

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Posted: 29 Jan 07, 18:23 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

There is one major pitfall with genealogy:

5% (yes, 5%) of all children born are not fathered by the man whose surname they receive. That makes for a very shady family tree, as only ONE instance of this is necessary to break the line...and over dozens of generations...one WILL have occurred.


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Posted: 29 Jan 07, 19:31 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Are you serious?? The UK only does a Census every century???
Jeeze, the US does one every decade!!! And I thought the UK and Europe prized their history more than the US...they are sure making it difficult for future histroians if this is indeed true.



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Posted: 29 Jan 07, 19:41 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

The UK doesn't TAKE a census every 100 years.

They only RELEASE the census every 100 years.

The US is the same. *(edit) give or take 30 years) Census information gathered is publicly released, but not names, addresses, employment, family members, etc.

In the US, you can also not gain access to a persons birth certificate for 100 years, unless you can prove you are that persons direct decendent, ie..son/daughter.

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Posted: 29 Jan 07, 19:45 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

<font color=red>?Sasha wrote:

The UK doesn't TAKE a census every 100 years.

They only RELEASE the census every 100 years.

The US is the same. Census information gathered is publicly released, but not names, addresses, employment, family members, etc.

In the US, you can also not gain access to a persons birth certificate for 100 years, unless you can prove you are that persons direct decendent, ie..son/daughter.


You can get special permission for research, too.


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Posted: 29 Jan 07, 23:04 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

ah ha! thanks for clearing that up guys! :-)


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Posted: 30 Jan 07, 00:01 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

<font color=red>?Sasha wrote:

The UK doesn't TAKE a census every 100 years.

They only RELEASE the census every 100 years.

The US is the same. Census information gathered is publicly released, but not names, addresses, employment, family members, etc.

In the US, you can also not gain access to a persons birth certificate for 100 years, unless you can prove you are that persons direct decendent, ie..son/daughter.


Forgive me if you know this, but it's unclear in your post, Sasha. The US releases their census records after 72 years, not 100, due to privacy laws.


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Posted: 30 Jan 07, 04:39 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Alex Solan? wrote:

John S Stuart wrote:

I am very interested in family history (or genealogy - it's the same thing) but, here in the UK we have to wait 100 years before Census returns can be published.


I'm interested in genealogy too. I'm searching for Solan dudes and dudettes back there in Ireland. The first Solan's left in early 1800's.

Any idea if I can peep on those records? I have no time right now to take a deep look.


I was thinking the same thing, I want to see about any Lawrences in Kent and Twins in Greenwich.

All I have is a list of every boat and its passengers carring settlers that arrived in Nelson some time in the 18th Centuary, and thats cos it came in the paper.


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Posted: 30 Jan 07, 04:58 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Try the electoral rolls, John. Not only does it provide you with names and addresses but, quite often, telephone numbers.

Very handy if you're in the stalking/blackmailing/ money lending business.


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Posted: 30 Jan 07, 07:44 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Flashman wrote:


Very handy if you're in the stalking/blackmailing/ money lending business.


Somehow, this remark does not surprise me...I wonder why...


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Posted: 30 Jan 07, 13:00 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

<font color=red>?Sasha wrote:

The UK doesn't TAKE a census every 100 years.

They only RELEASE the census every 100 years.

The US is the same. *(edit) give or take 30 years) Census information gathered is publicly released, but not names, addresses, employment, family members, etc.

In the US, you can also not gain access to a persons birth certificate for 100 years, unless you can prove you are that persons direct decendent, ie..son/daughter.


Also wrong.

A census is released every 10 years, it's just 100 years after it was taken.

You'd think English was a second language around here...

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Posted: 30 Jan 07, 13:58 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Penetration_Guru wrote:

<font color=red>?Sasha wrote:

The UK doesn't TAKE a census every 100 years.

They only RELEASE the census every 100 years.

The US is the same. *(edit) give or take 30 years) Census information gathered is publicly released, but not names, addresses, employment, family members, etc.

In the US, you can also not gain access to a persons birth certificate for 100 years, unless you can prove you are that persons direct decendent, ie..son/daughter.


Also wrong.

A census is released every 10 years, it's just 100 years after it was taken.

You'd think English was a second language around here...




Also wrong...

It's every 72 years. See above.

You would think English was a second language around here.



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Posted: 30 Jan 07, 15:24 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

<font color=red>?Sasha wrote:

Penetration_Guru wrote:

<font color=red>?Sasha wrote:

The UK doesn't TAKE a census every 100 years.

They only RELEASE the census every 100 years.

The US is the same. *(edit) give or take 30 years) Census information gathered is publicly released, but not names, addresses, employment, family members, etc.

In the US, you can also not gain access to a persons birth certificate for 100 years, unless you can prove you are that persons direct decendent, ie..son/daughter.


Also wrong.

A census is released every 10 years, it's just 100 years after it was taken.

You'd think English was a second language around here...




Also wrong...

It's every 72 years. See above.

You would think English was a second language around here.



No. 72 years is the US. Do TRY and keep up...

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Posted: 30 Jan 07, 15:37 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

In the US (I won't speak for the UK as I don't know), census figures are released every 10 years as soon as they are determined.

The numbers, however, are the grand totals and statistics that speak to overall demography, not the individualized results which take 72 years to get released. I suspect that is what PG is hinting at.

IE - 2000 census released sometime after April 2000; however individualized results not released until April 2072.


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Posted: 30 Jan 07, 16:14 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Penetration_Guru wrote:

<font color=red>?Sasha wrote:

Penetration_Guru wrote:

<font color=red>?Sasha wrote:

The UK doesn't TAKE a census every 100 years.

They only RELEASE the census every 100 years.

The US is the same. *(edit) give or take 30 years) Census information gathered is publicly released, but not names, addresses, employment, family members, etc.

In the US, you can also not gain access to a persons birth certificate for 100 years, unless you can prove you are that persons direct decendent, ie..son/daughter.


Also wrong.

A census is released every 10 years, it's just 100 years after it was taken.

You'd think English was a second language around here...




Also wrong...

It's every 72 years. See above.

You would think English was a second language around here.



No. 72 years is the US. Do TRY and keep up...



Also wrong...


Take note:

"The UK doesn't TAKE a census every 100 years.

They only RELEASE the census every 100 years.

The US is the same. *(edit) give or take 30 years) Census information gathered is publicly released, but not names, addresses, employment, family members, etc."

Where do I say the UK releases a census every 72 years?

I'm talking about the U.S.

Do try to keep up.



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Posted: 30 Jan 07, 17:14 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

From Wikipedia:

"The United States Constitution mandates that the census be taken at least once every 10 years, and that the number of members of the House of Representatives from each state be determined accordingly ... By law ..., census records are sealed for 72 years. ... Thus, the most recent Census released to the public was the 1930 Census, released in 2002."

I think that means we will see the 1940 census in 2012; the 1950 census in 2022, and so on.