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Posted: 31 Jan 07, 14:08 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Okay I heard this one theory regarding sharing official stuff, please read it before leaving any comments.

Basically, in the eyes of the law, if Queenzone provides links to official download sites which are NOTHING to do with the siter, they can not be liable for copyright infringement, as they are only acting as a "signposting" service.

For example, if an official file is uploaded to Rapidshare, the people who could be charged are the uploaders and Rapidshare themselves.

Only if it is attached to a message and directly stored on the QZ website can they themselves be charged.

This is why some p2p programmes are not currently illegal because they do not store files on their servers.

This would basically mean you can share what you like here, as long as it is not an attachment to the messages you post here directly. There WOULD still be legal responsibility, but not on the QZ website.

This is only what I have heard. Please tell me if I am right or wrong


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Posted: 31 Jan 07, 14:10 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

"DO NOT POST OFFICIAL MATERIAL OR LINKS TO OFFICIAL MATERIAL HERE."

Not enough? Rule of QZ. No matter why. No matter if it's stupid or not. It's still the rule.

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Serry... wrote:

"DO NOT POST OFFICIAL MATERIAL OR LINKS TO OFFICIAL MATERIAL HERE."

Not enough? Rule of QZ. No matter why. No matter if it's stupid or not. It's still the rule.


Hold on, I didn't say I disagreed with the rule, all I said was that QZ should not be liable in certain instances, which should take some worry away about them being closed down.

I never said we should share official stuff anyway!!!!!


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Posted: 31 Jan 07, 14:18 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

cexycy wrote:

Serry... wrote:

"DO NOT POST OFFICIAL MATERIAL OR LINKS TO OFFICIAL MATERIAL HERE."

Not enough? Rule of QZ. No matter why. No matter if it's stupid or not. It's still the rule.


Hold on, I didn't say I disagreed with the rule, all I said was that QZ should not be liable in certain instances, which should take some worry away about them being closed down.

I never said we should share official stuff anyway!!!!!
It's not a matter of it being legal or illegal, The owner of QZ doesn't want this site to be used as an advertising board for recordings illegally being shared on other sites.
It's that simple and should be respected.


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Posted: 31 Jan 07, 14:36 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

A question:

BBC Sessions '77 are official?

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Posted: 31 Jan 07, 14:43 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

One is, the other three aren't.

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Posted: 31 Jan 07, 14:45 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

cexycy wrote:

Okay I heard this one theory regarding sharing official stuff, please read it before leaving any comments.

Basically, in the eyes of the law, if Queenzone provides links to official download sites which are NOTHING to do with the siter, they can not be liable for copyright infringement, as they are only acting as a "signposting" service.

For example, if an official file is uploaded to Rapidshare, the people who could be charged are the uploaders and Rapidshare themselves.

Only if it is attached to a message and directly stored on the QZ website can they themselves be charged.

This is why some p2p programmes are not currently illegal because they do not store files on their servers.

This would basically mean you can share what you like here, as long as it is not an attachment to the messages you post here directly. There WOULD still be legal responsibility, but not on the QZ website.

This is only what I have heard. Please tell me if I am right or wrong


I don't agree with this interpretation. My view is that p2p sites provide no signposts of any kind, and thus try and escape copyright law.

However, knowingly linking to copyrighted material would be a....contributory offence (for want of a better phrase)

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Posted: 31 Jan 07, 14:47 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

SCOM wrote:

A question:

BBC Sessions '77 are official?


Nope - only sessions one and three are. And technically so is March Of The Black Queen (I forget which session that it appeared on) as it has been argued on here that it is just the album version but with a fade out


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Posted: 31 Jan 07, 15:17 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

WWRY from the 77 Sessions HAS been released officially!

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Posted: 31 Jan 07, 17:44 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Penetration_Guru wrote:

cexycy wrote:

Okay I heard this one theory regarding sharing official stuff, please read it before leaving any comments.

Basically, in the eyes of the law, if Queenzone provides links to official download sites which are NOTHING to do with the siter, they can not be liable for copyright infringement, as they are only acting as a "signposting" service.

For example, if an official file is uploaded to Rapidshare, the people who could be charged are the uploaders and Rapidshare themselves.

Only if it is attached to a message and directly stored on the QZ website can they themselves be charged.

This is why some p2p programmes are not currently illegal because they do not store files on their servers.

This would basically mean you can share what you like here, as long as it is not an attachment to the messages you post here directly. There WOULD still be legal responsibility, but not on the QZ website.

This is only what I have heard. Please tell me if I am right or wrong


I don't agree with this interpretation. My view is that p2p sites provide no signposts of any kind, and thus try and escape copyright law.

However, knowingly linking to copyrighted material would be a....contributory offence (for want of a better phrase)


Couldn't of nailed it better myself PG

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Posted: 31 Jan 07, 19:01 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Mike Label wrote:

WWRY from the 77 Sessions HAS been released officially!


Quite correct actually. I forgot all about that - and Ive got a copy as well - DOH!!. Thanks Mike.


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Posted: 31 Jan 07, 21:42 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

it's a principle and values thing.


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Posted: 31 Jan 07, 22:08 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I agree it's too much paranoia and the fault would likely lie with the uploader and the actual hosting site.

The fact is official stuff is shared in the hub, which Queenzone LINKS to, advertises, promotes with sticky topics. The folks there just feel a bit safer because the community can be controlled better.

I'm not saying that easily available official stuff should be shared, but things like out of print vinyl-only tracks and such could be treated with a bit more leniency, as they used to be.

From a legal standpoint, Queenzone wouldn't be safe at any given time anyway. Practically once a day a link is given to something official which later is removed.

But unless Richard wants to modify the rule and specify that certain rarer releases could be shared, we should respect the rule because we are guests here.

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Posted: 31 Jan 07, 22:23 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

It's all illegal. Bootlegs are the property of the artists, no matter who recorded them. At least - that's how it is here.

Most artists turn a blind eye unless money is being made. Shit, Live Aid wasn't going to be released ever until Bob Geldof saw the amount of profit being made off it.


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Posted: 01 Feb 07, 02:31 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Mike Label wrote:

WWRY from the 77 Sessions HAS been released officially!


No, it wasn't. Only the second half ('fast') was released on some single to promote the musical.

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Zebonka12 wrote:

It's all illegal. Bootlegs are the property of the artists, no matter who recorded them. At least - that's how it is here.

Most artists turn a blind eye unless money is being made. Shit, Live Aid wasn't going to be released ever until Bob Geldof saw the amount of profit being made off it.


Exactly. EVERYTHING shared here on QZ is ILLEGAL. EVERYTHING. The only difference between sharing Hammersmith 75 and sharing 'A night at the opera' is that the first one can be tollerated by the artist / record company, the second one is not.

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pittrek wrote:

Zebonka12 wrote:

It's all illegal. Bootlegs are the property of the artists, no matter who recorded them. At least - that's how it is here.

Most artists turn a blind eye unless money is being made. Shit, Live Aid wasn't going to be released ever until Bob Geldof saw the amount of profit being made off it.


Exactly. EVERYTHING shared here on QZ is ILLEGAL. EVERYTHING. The only difference between sharing Hammersmith 75 and sharing 'A night at the opera' is that the first one can be tollerated by the artist / record company, the second one is not.


Crap...if it dont have a copyright its not illegal & copyright can only exist on FIXED works....that was the cloak for the artists.
LIVE is NOT a fixed work unless it is officially released & even then it would only be THAT live performance.
Any other live performance that differs in any way to the FIXED work is basically up for grabs.
The owner is the holder.
Here's one for you.......The Pink Floyd PULSE DVD has a bonus section called bootlegging the bootleggers.
Now a particular song,namly "Marooned" ,is on that & David Gilmour had to get permission from the taper to put it on the DVD...yet he played it...lol
It wasn't copyright work you see.

The old saying is that if you do not own the masters....then the masters own you.

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Posted: 01 Feb 07, 05:30 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

A big website like QZ is a promotion for a band and there is not really an antagonism between QP and Queenzone, it's quite the contrary. Queen are not a band who persecute their fans, in fact they are quite liberal, just look at queencollector.com, for example. If they allow us to share unreleased material here on Queenzone, it's our turn to not hurt their interests and share official stuff. It's true that "official" is not the same as "available" but it's better to not share any official material than to risk the ability to share non-official material.

The hub is not a part of Queenzone at all. The hub owner is responsible for its content. However, official material is not allowed in the hub, either. It's easier to monitor a forum like this than the sharing lists of hub users but they are monitored and official stuff must be removed.


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928 wrote:

pittrek wrote:

Zebonka12 wrote:

It's all illegal. Bootlegs are the property of the artists, no matter who recorded them. At least - that's how it is here.

Most artists turn a blind eye unless money is being made. Shit, Live Aid wasn't going to be released ever until Bob Geldof saw the amount of profit being made off it.


Exactly. EVERYTHING shared here on QZ is ILLEGAL. EVERYTHING. The only difference between sharing Hammersmith 75 and sharing 'A night at the opera' is that the first one can be tollerated by the artist / record company, the second one is not.


Crap...if it dont have a copyright its not illegal & copyright can only exist on FIXED works....that was the cloak for the artists.
LIVE is NOT a fixed work unless it is officially released & even then it would only be THAT live performance.
Any other live performance that differs in any way to the FIXED work is basically up for grabs.
The owner is the holder.
Here's one for you.......The Pink Floyd PULSE DVD has a bonus section called bootlegging the bootleggers.
Now a particular song,namly "Marooned" ,is on that & David Gilmour had to get permission from the taper to put it on the DVD...yet he played it...lol
It wasn't copyright work you see.

The old saying is that if you do not own the masters....then the masters own you.


Must be a regional thing - I did copyright last year and the law says otherwise. Hmmm!!


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Posted: 01 Feb 07, 06:01 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

928 wrote:



Crap...if it dont have a copyright its not illegal & copyright can only exist on FIXED works....that was the cloak for the artists.
LIVE is NOT a fixed work unless it is officially released & even then it would only be THAT live performance.
Any other live performance that differs in any way to the FIXED work is basically up for grabs.
The owner is the holder.
Here's one for you.......The Pink Floyd PULSE DVD has a bonus section called bootlegging the bootleggers.
Now a particular song,namly "Marooned" ,is on that & David Gilmour had to get permission from the taper to put it on the DVD...yet he played it...lol
It wasn't copyright work you see.

The old saying is that if you do not own the masters....then the masters own you.



Wow, I want to live in a country with such nice laws :-) But for example czechs have it worse, as I've heard according to new czech laws it is illegal even to listen a bootleg, or even talking about having it publicly. The worst law ever