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Posted: 21 Feb 07, 04:11 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

What do you think about these reviews about Queen and their albums?
http://starling.rinet.ru/music/queen.htm


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Posted: 21 Feb 07, 04:38 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I guess he must have a few good points (two or three points, I don't agree with everything).
However, I think he's pushing it too far. Saying that Queen fans have no knowledge or bad knowledge of rock'n'roll: as if Queen was one of the worst band ever. He's entitled to his opinion and so are we. Art and music are subjective, therefore, you cannot make any hierarchy. Depending on one's story and tastes, an artist / a band my sound more appealing than another one.
So instead of saying Queen is not a very good band, he should say he doesn't like it and not offend anyone (it's always more disppointing for a fan to hear "your band is crap" than "I just don't like it")
Anyway, as I said, he has the right to have his own opinion on Queen and has the right to write it as much as we Queen-fans.

So please people, don't jump at his throat.



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Posted: 21 Feb 07, 04:58 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I decided to limit myself to reading the review for "Hot Space". He calls Freddie (not a direct quote) "a Michael Jackson imitator". What he conveniently omits is that "Hot Space" predates "Thriller" by a good six months! A subjective review if I ever read one and rather boring. Ignore.

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Posted: 21 Feb 07, 10:12 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote



I don't think he has listed enough to the albums at all to give us a review.

He think's "Bicycle Race" is the best song on Jazz, and he called "Lily of the Valley" a filler - and that says a lot..


I read from Queen (1) to Jazz, but I thought most of it was rubbish, so I wasted no more time on it. I got angry : )



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Posted: 21 Feb 07, 12:01 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Yes, but this makes an interesting point:

"Regardless of how I feel towards the actual songs, Hot Space demands extra respect from me. Where so many Seventies' bands never really managed to survive the New Decade Crisis, falling apart either directly or metaphorically, Queen do indeed effectuate the transition. Meaning that Hot Space is, like, listenable. They managed to salvage some of their stronger aspects and yield to the new trends without becoming offensively boring. "

How true. Can you think of any other 70s rock bands that did it successfully?

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Posted: 21 Feb 07, 13:09 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

genesis
van halen
rush

all had significant 80s success - genesis and VH were commercially bigger during the 80s


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Posted: 21 Feb 07, 14:13 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

an idiot


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Posted: 21 Feb 07, 15:20 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

LT_United wrote:

Sh*t magazine's "Roling Stone" inspired jerk or what???
Can we change that to 'insipid' jerk?


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Posted: 21 Feb 07, 15:54 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

<font color=green>Bren<font color=orange>ski wrote:

genesis
van halen
rush

all had significant 80s success - genesis and VH were commercially bigger during the 80s


Duke, Abacab, Genesis - Yeah, you're right there.

Diver Down, 1984, 5150? Don't see any dance/synth type songs there.

Signals, Grace, Power Windows? Don't see any there... Or do you mean that "great" rap part in Roll The Bones?

What I mean is, Yeah Genesis is greatness. But Van Halen and Rush are so 1 dimensional in comparison.

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Posted: 21 Feb 07, 16:55 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

The album '1984' opened with a keyboard instrumental, which had to be shocking to Van Halen fans. First cut after that was 'Jump', which was virtually 100% synths save the solo. Next single was 'I'll wait', which was again synth based. After Roth left the band, the first single was the keyboard heavy 'Why can't this be love', followed by the piano ballad 'Love walks in.' Those songs represent a significant sea change in the VH stylistic direction, whether they are danceable or not. rush also changed immensely from their first albums, and like Queen, a very expirimental band.


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Posted: 21 Feb 07, 17:04 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

It’s understandable defending something you enjoy and are passionate about. Although I don’t agree with everything in his reviews, he makes some good and bad points. I agree with his general review of “Hot Space”. Side one of that record is a complete joke. Basically it’s a bunch of disco/funk tunes recorded with no imagination, soul or heart.


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Posted: 21 Feb 07, 17:36 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Keyboards (and guys in suits) killed Van Halen, not Dave or Sammy.

Like Journey, it took a little while, but I would hardly call Van Halen a shred of what they were 20 years ago. Same with Rush. Not the same with Genesis.

Here's what happens. The guys stop buying the albums as much, but all the girls make up the difference. Of course, the girls aren't going to become the followers the guys were, so they're out after a couple of years and it falls to pieces. Maybe two albums and that's it. The decline happens.

Things like Raised On Radio, Balance & VHIII, Roll The Bones, Counterparts, etc.

The only time things dipped for Genesis, when there was only two left, and it didn't even resemble Genesis. No one bought Congo.

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Posted: 21 Feb 07, 18:31 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

"Oh, hang on. Turns out it's just our old friend, Freddie Maddie, trading in opera and music hall for a couple square meters of dancefloor."

HAHAHAHAHA. xD

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Posted: 21 Feb 07, 20:02 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Micrówave wrote:



Here's what happens. The guys stop buying the albums as much, but all the girls make up the difference. Of course, the girls aren't going to become the followers the guys were, so they're out after a couple of years and it falls to pieces. Maybe two albums and that's it. The decline happens.



i'm sorry, i find that quite insulting, kind of implying that girls aren't the music lovers that boys are...

i'm sure i love music every bit as much as you do thankyou very much


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Posted: 21 Feb 07, 21:40 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

it's too green.


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Posted: 22 Feb 07, 14:49 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

"Sh*t magazine's "Roling Stone" inspired jerk or what???"

Only insofar as he is an extremely politically correct pseudo-intellectual, rating music according to the prestige it'll earn him, and not quality. He's an absolute moreon: the guy mistakes a trumpet for a saxophone on Lou Reed's "The Bells" for instance.


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Posted: 22 Feb 07, 14:50 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

he also says Pink Floyd is the most overrated band...he dosent really seem to like any band...a sad sad man

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Posted: 22 Feb 07, 15:17 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

TWO THINGS:

"and sweet, tender operatic singing from Freddie's part"

Operatic??? Obviously this guy has no idea about singing (just as many users here) and can't tell a rock singer from a opera singer.


"while the other's centerpoint is the complex multi-part suite 'March Of The Black Queen'"

He doesn't have a fucking idea of what a suite is.


Poor guy, it seems that he thinks he knows a lot about music. Meh, just another jerk with no idea at all... just writes a few words here and there:

"hmmmmm

- SUITE
- OPERATIC
- SYMPHONY

What the fuck do those words mean? I dunno, but I'll write them anywhere and people will think I know a lot".


Sadly, that's very common.


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Posted: 22 Feb 07, 15:53 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

March Of The Black Queen *is* a suite, my friend.

A suite is a fluent segue of a number of parts, each being in a different form, style and usually key. Originally, it referred to a very stringent combination of medieval dances, but the definition nowadays includes works like John Coltrane's "Ascension" and much of John Cage's ballet-work, with Merce Cunningham, for instance.


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Posted: 22 Feb 07, 16:27 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Suite de danses, as it was called, were traditional dances.

I can't find any dance in Black Queen.

No allemande, no courante, no sarabande... no gigue either, no prelude...

Therefore, no suite.

Later on the 19th century, the Suite was also a set of small sections tied together BY A COMMON THEME. There is NOT a common theme in Black Queen, in all the sections.


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