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Posted: 24 Feb 07, 06:55 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

There are four different concepts:

- Acoustic Drums
- Electronic Drums
- Drum Machines (later on Midi Drums)
- Synth-Generated Drums

I don't know if electric drums exist too, they must... Anyway:

Staying Power: Mostly e-drums and machines, with acoustic cymbals.

Dancer: Ditto

Back Chat: Ditto

Body Language: Almost entirely machines.

Cool Cat: Machines, with e-drums perhaps.

Radio Ga Ga: Machines + e-drums

I want to break free: Ditto

A kind of Magic: Machines

One year of love: The sound acoustic to me

Pain is so close to pleasure: Computers + acoustic

Friends will be friends: Acoustic + electronic

Don't lose your head: Acoustic (+ computerised fills)

Party: Programmed (for the most part)

The invisible Man: Programmed

Rain Must Fall: Mostly programmed, and the percussion instruments are actually generated by e-drum pads

Scandal: 100% acoustic

My Baby does me: 100% programmed

I can't live with you: Synth-generated. My father's got a Korg M1 (which I bought for him as a present when he turned 50) and I've confirmed the sound matches.

Ride the wild wind: Programmed

These are the days of our lives: Programmed

Delilah: Programmed


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Posted: 24 Feb 07, 08:54 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Someone said a while back that the 'fast' part of I Want It All was programmed?

Not that Roger couldn't actually do it... I'm pretty sure he managed to do it live at the Tribute. Still I wonder.


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Posted: 24 Feb 07, 10:53 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Indeed the fast part was programmed. Maybe Brian did it that way in the demo and they were too lazy to replace it.

Conga percussion was programmed as well, imo.


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Posted: 24 Feb 07, 13:42 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Sebastian wrote:


Ride the wild wind: Programmed


Are you 100% sure that RTWW only has programmed drums?

And to me it sounds like Mother Love has programmd drums too, or not?

And is there any source for that fast I Want It All part??
It sounds to me like real drums, it even speeds up a bit.


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Posted: 24 Feb 07, 15:09 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Party and The Invisible Man definitely have some real drums on, albeit in addition to the programmed parts. I don't know for sure, but I would be pretty sure that One Year Of Love is actually programmed drums - the rimshot, kick and snare are all too 'clean' to be acoustic, and the pattern is too regular to have been played live.

As Sebastien says, it's often difficult to tell with some stuff whether it is actually Roger playing, but playing an electric kit as opposed to an acoustic one, or whether it is truly fully programmed drums.

I am pretty sure that the 'fast bit' on I Want It All is actually real drums played by Roger, due to slight tempo changes, the cymbal work, and variations in the hi hat opening etc.., but it is more than possible that Roger played several takes and then Brian chopped this up and got the best bits, and the feel that he wanted by pasting the parts together. I remember reading Brian's sopabox where he said that this is what they did with Sleeping On The Sidewalk - he, Roger and John played a few live takes, and then he cut then up and re-arranged in the order he wanted.

I don't KNOW any of this for sure, but am going with my ears as an experienced drummer/musician.

Hopefully when we get good 5.1 mixes of all the stuff we may be able to tell more!

Good topic though as I was thinking about this myself the other day!

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Posted: 24 Feb 07, 15:40 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

cmsdrums wrote:

I would be pretty sure that One Year Of Love is actually programmed drums - the rimshot, kick and snare are all too 'clean' to be acoustic, and the pattern is too regular to have been played live.


Yes, to me it sounds to clean too, almost certain that this is programmed, I think Roger would fall asleep playing this on elec-drums, lol.


I am pretty sure that the 'fast bit' on I Want It All is actually real drums played by Roger, due to slight tempo changes, the cymbal work, and variations in the hi hat opening etc..


My thoughts exactly, it would be (I think) too difficult to program that, and it just sounds like real drums.


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Posted: 24 Feb 07, 16:19 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

'One Year Of Love': You're right

'Ride The Wild Wind' is completely programmed imo. Compare it with live versions.

'I Want It All' would be worth checking out with DTS tracks.


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Posted: 24 Feb 07, 20:53 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Any idea about Roger's "My Country Parts I & II" (actually, part II)?

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Posted: 25 Feb 07, 07:59 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

They sound acoustic to me (only effected), or perhaps an early Linn machine.


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Posted: 26 Feb 07, 19:50 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I Want To Break Free is real drums.
As is most of Queen's material. Listen carefully to Another Oner Bites The Dust and you know how exact Roger can play!


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Posted: 27 Feb 07, 04:14 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Joma wrote:

I Want To Break Free is real drums.
As is most of Queen's material. Listen carefully to Another Oner Bites The Dust and you know how exact Roger can play!


That's because "Bites The Dust" used a repeating loop on the drum track.

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Posted: 27 Feb 07, 05:05 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Ian R wrote:

Joma wrote:

I Want To Break Free is real drums.
As is most of Queen's material. Listen carefully to Another Oner Bites The Dust and you know how exact Roger can play!


That's because "Bites The Dust" used a repeating loop on the drum track.


I wrote listen "carefully". You can also hear it live. Roger is surely not the wildest drummer around. But his timing is exceptional.

The basic drums in IWTBF are definately real drums. And most of the songs have real drums. That does not mean that there are no e-drums anywhere.


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Posted: 27 Feb 07, 05:29 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Anyway, Queen is programmed to be loved :-p


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Posted: 27 Feb 07, 07:33 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Dagmara wrote:

I have another question where on Hapiness and Electric frire are acustic drums?



Happiness:
All real drums except Freedom Train and Loneliness
Foreign Sand has this Japanese guy on drums.

E-Fire:
People on Streets has e-drums






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Posted: 27 Feb 07, 07:51 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Roger has perfect timing and for those songs - Break Free, Staying Power, etc - player perfectly on stage. But in the studio most of them were e-drums or programmed, whether we like it or not.


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Posted: 27 Feb 07, 08:11 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Final Destination (Roger version, not The Cross) doesn't have Yoshiki on drums, it's Roger - check the Foreign Sand CD single sleeve notes that says that Rog plays drums on FD. Possibly one of his best drum performances for years actually.

I agree with Sebastian - I Want To Break Free is not real drums on the studio version. Listening to Staying Power again however is seems that after a while, there are real drums coming in over the electronic stuff, they're not high in the mix but come in and out at various points very effectively to 'beef up' the sound

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Posted: 27 Feb 07, 08:28 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Sebastian wrote:

Roger has perfect timing and for those songs - Break Free, Staying Power, etc - player perfectly on stage. But in the studio most of them were e-drums or programmed, whether we like it or not.


It's not a question if we like it or not. But I think that IWTBF has real drums basically. Not the best sound, especially for Mack, but real.


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Posted: 27 Feb 07, 12:19 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

To me IWTBF sounds really like a drum computer (or something like that), all programmed.
For me saying that IWTBF has (basically) some real drums, is like saying that the drums from Radio Ga Ga isn't a drum computer, lol.


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Posted: 27 Feb 07, 14:18 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Well - we can't find anyone to confirm, can we?


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Posted: 28 Feb 07, 03:13 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Surely the question should be, why use anything but 'real' drums, when you have a drummer of RT's quality in your band? This is one thing I hated about 80s Queen.


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