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Posted: 14 Mar 07, 16:35 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

http://www.petitionspot.com/petitions/viacomboycott

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Posted: 14 Mar 07, 16:55 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

YouTube was the only place where you could find all the complete episodes of Beavis & Butthead uncensored because the DVDs edited some of the funniest part out. Aside from that the DVDs don't include all the episodes.

FUCK YOU VIACOM!


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Posted: 14 Mar 07, 17:09 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

If you own it, you have the right to do whatever you like with it. You can destroy it, exploit it, and everything in between.


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Posted: 15 Mar 07, 11:23 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Fuck Viacom. I don't know what the actual case is here... but fuck Viacom, I don't care.


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Posted: 15 Mar 07, 15:31 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

To be honest, I really don't care anymore. I blame copyright attorneys for coming up with every way imaginable to screw the public (their client's customers).

I remember when music videos were promotional. Free advertising for albums. Artists and record companies should be pleased that their work was chosen... for Beavis & Butthead to make fun of.. that equals sales of their product. Or to be used in a movie... that equals sales of their product. But nowdays half the movies and tv shows that come out don't include the original music because the greedy fuckers who own the rights charge too much.. charge too much for something where they could potentionally be making more royalties themselves. It's stupid and only the public, their customers end up suffering because we get shit like edited B&B episodes...

I say to hell with all big business and greedy artists and managers.

YouTube is free promotion for product as far as I see it. If some cheapskate wants shitty quality, mono versions of stuff converted from Flash in order to save a little cash buying a DVD set or whatever, it's their loss.. I personally buy stuff when I'm able to preview it at places like YouTube, or in MP3 form, and I'm sure many others do too.

Case in point: I stumbled across Bette Davis singing 'What Ever Happened to Baby Jane" on the Andy Williams Show on YouTube. I had no idea this song, or this performance existed.. it's the funniest thing ever. Thanks to someone posting it and people commenting, I found out it's an extra on the special edition DVD (I only had the original version... another way we get screwed by companies). So I promptly ordered the special edition. YouTube clips = sales.

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Posted: 15 Mar 07, 15:58 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

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To be honest, I really don't care anymore. I blame copyright attorneys for coming up with every way imaginable to screw the public (their client's customers).

I remember when music videos were promotional. Free advertising for albums. Artists and record companies should be pleased that their work was chosen... for Beavis & Butthead to make fun of.. that equals sales of their product. Or to be used in a movie... that equals sales of their product. But nowdays half the movies and tv shows that come out don't include the original music because the greedy fuckers who own the rights charge too much.. charge too much for something where they could potentionally be making more royalties themselves. It's stupid and only the public, their customers end up suffering because we get shit like edited B&B episodes...

I say to hell with all big business and greedy artists and managers.

YouTube is free promotion for product as far as I see it. If some cheapskate wants shitty quality, mono versions of stuff converted from Flash in order to save a little cash buying a DVD set or whatever, it's their loss.. I personally buy stuff when I'm able to preview it at places like YouTube, or in MP3 form, and I'm sure many others do too.

Case in point: I stumbled across Bette Davis singing 'What Ever Happened to Baby Jane" on the Andy Williams Show on YouTube. I had no idea this song, or this performance existed.. it's the funniest thing ever. Thanks to someone posting it and people commenting, I found out it's an extra on the special edition DVD (I only had the original version... another way we get screwed by companies). So I promptly ordered the special edition. YouTube clips = sales.


Your logic is incredibly flawed. If these businesses were so "greedy (oh, isn't that typical to just blame businesses for everything)," then they would pick the option that would turn more profits. If you say that free advertising will turn more profits, then they'd do that.

It's always the fault of businesses and attorneys. Everybody, jump on the bandwagon.


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Posted: 15 Mar 07, 17:15 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I'm suggesting they try a different approach rather than this strict guarding of their content, and suing everyone which obviously isn't working. And I think I made some valid points and even gave a true example of my idea at work. But maybe that's me.. perhaps I'm wrong and the world is just full of leeches.. when I like something, I try to buy it to support the artist.. but a full preview is always nice.

Consumers get screwed left and right. A person pays $40 a month for internet, $50 a month for cable or satellite.. which is mostly funded by commercials anyway. The big companies are in fact lining their pockets whilst consumers keep paying for more advertising.

There are some smart solutions going around.. TV networks offering their shows for free online, with built-in commercials.. this is a great idea but I'm sure it's a major headache in the rights department. Soon enough we'll be hearing about some production company suing ABC because they didn't give permission for web use or some such nonsense. What profit are they losing after it's already been aired free on broadcast television? None.

Hell, even Queen getting in a tizzy over 'Ice Ice Baby'. They shoulda been thankful their 10 year old song was resurrected and brought to a new audience for purchase.



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Posted: 15 Mar 07, 21:01 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Well maybe they're extra-protective of their work since it's the last fucking thing on Earth that isn't made in China.

I'm sorry that some struggling artists might be harmed by people checking out their work for free.. the big ones certainly aren't suffering, regardless of what they say. I heard Aerosmith complaining recently that their back catalog is "worthless" now because of file sharing. Bullshit.

Most of the young or new artists I check out online are actually taking the right approach.. giving samples of their work free anyway. Perhaps when they hit it big they'll become greedy assholes like everyone else.

We live in a fucked-up world controlled by big businesses who either screw consumers with their greed or screw consumers with their cheaply labored product made in China. Cut costs in every way, charge more and more, sue, sue sue, threaten, add logos, scramble DVDs til they're unplayable, fuck up CDs til they're unplayable, chop up the artist's work to add more advertising, and yes, people have the choice not to buy.. but in reality, stuff is shoved down our throats constantly.

What's a guy to do when his DVD player 'breaks' (ie; won't descramble the latest bullshit encryption anymore)? Go to Wal Mart and buy one of 10 models all made in the same factory in China and with different 'brand' names slapped on them.

There's no way to avoid it. So they've got us.

I'm not gonna say anymore. It'll all be in my manifesto.

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Posted: 15 Mar 07, 22:36 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Undetermined wrote:

Well maybe they're extra-protective of their work since it's the last fucking thing on Earth that isn't made in China.

I'm sorry that some struggling artists might be harmed by people checking out their work for free.. the big ones certainly aren't suffering, regardless of what they say. I heard Aerosmith complaing recently that their back catalog is "worthless" now because of file sharing. Bullshit.

Most of the young or new artists I check out online are actually taking the right approach.. giving samples of their work free anyway. Perhaps when they hit it big they'll become greedy assholes like everyone else.

We live in a fucked-up world controlled by big businesses who either screw consumers with their greed or screw consumers with their cheaply labored product made in China. Cut costs in every way, charge more and more, sue, sue sue, threaten, add logos, scramble DVDs til they're unplayable, fuck up CDs til they're unplayable, chop up the artist's work to add more advertising, and yes, people have the choice not to buy.. but in reality, stuff is shoved down our throats constantly.

What's a guy to do when his DVD player 'breaks' (ie; won't descramble the latest bullshit encryption anymore)? Go to Wal Mart and buy one of 10 models all made in the same factory in China and with different 'brand' names slapped on them.

There's no way to avoid it. So they've got us.

I'm not gonna say anymore. It'll all be in my manifesto.


God, you're ridiculous. You seriously have no idea how business works. Go to business school instead of joining the anti-corporate bandwagon.


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Posted: 16 Mar 07, 00:29 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AW-duGayk4I

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Posted: 16 Mar 07, 06:08 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I was under the impression they're only doing this because Youtube is in competition with iFilm, which was owned by Viacom??

Maybe someone was lying to me!!


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Posted: 16 Mar 07, 06:09 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

And iFilm is shit.


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