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Posted: 08 Apr 07, 18:03 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

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Posted: 08 Apr 07, 18:57 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Song: Teo Torriatte
First Heard: A Day At the Races
Mood When Heard: OMG! what an amazing song.
People it Reminds You Of:Freddie
Opinion: true brilliance-reall sad to listen to and know that Freddie is gone!



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Posted: 08 Apr 07, 20:01 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I like to stick lightbulbs in my anus while I listen to this song


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Posted: 08 Apr 07, 21:03 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Song: Teo Torriatte
First Heard: At the pool...i had just bought the crown jewels collection and decided to head out and listen to ADATR while taking a swim!
Mood When Heard: it made me feel sorry for this wasp i was trying to kill at the time, so i spared his life.
People it Reminds You Of: Freddie, especially the "When Im gone...just close your pretty eyes and you can be with me" bit
Opinion: Absolutely beautiful. It sends shivers down my spine everytime i hear it.



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Posted: 09 Apr 07, 11:04 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Song: Teo Torriatte
First Heard: 1976..adatr vinyl purhcase
Mood When Heard: it ruined an otherwise near-perfect Queen album
People it Reminds You Of: how gullible the Japanese fans were back then
Opinion: Sugary pap. Contrived "language-breaking anthemic rubbish" designed to fully exploit the "then growing" Japanese market. I hate this song...it shows Brian at his most calculating and least spontaneous....fucking awful
it was standard fare for Brian to "try and outdo Freddie" - and it nearly always backfired...he didn't have the same creatively original songwriting mind that Freddie did...
examples: - Bo Rhap/Prophet Song
Champions/Rock You, somebody to love / Teo Torriate,



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Posted: 09 Apr 07, 12:59 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Adolfo wrote:

I like to stick lightbulbs in my anus while I listen to this song


Good on you - I think it's appalling that the original poster doesn't feel this could possibly be a valid response to the song.

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Posted: 09 Apr 07, 14:02 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

<font color=green>Bren<font color=orange>ski wrote:

Song: Teo Torriatte
First Heard: 1976..adatr vinyl purhcase
Mood When Heard: it ruined an otherwise near-perfect Queen album
People it Reminds You Of: how gullible the Japanese fans were back then
Opinion: Sugary pap. Contrived &quot;language-breaking anthemic rubbish&quot; designed to fully exploit the &quot;then growing&quot; Japanese market. I hate this song...it shows Brian at his most calculating and least spontaneous....fucking awful
it was standard fare for Brian to &quot;try and outdo Freddie&quot; - and it nearly always backfired...he didn't have the same creatively original songwriting mind that Freddie did...
examples: - Bo Rhap/Prophet Song
Champions/Rock You, somebody to love / Teo Torriate,


.... Meh. I liked it. And I'm not even Japanese!

(shrug)


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Posted: 09 Apr 07, 14:12 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Yeah I like it too. It's a nice and mellow ballad. It was probably a "Thank You" to the Japanese fans judging from the reception they received as seen in the Magic Years documentary(part II with Deacon interview, 1975). Freddie pronounces the Japanese words correctly in the song, so good on them for maintaining phonological accuracy, since they made typological/transliteration errors in the name of the song itself. =P


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Posted: 11 Apr 07, 13:42 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I think Teo Torriatte is a great song!

A Day at the Races is my favourite album, which I listen to every night before I go to sleep (after watching 2 or 3 episodes of The Simpsons).

The song is of course at the end of the album, so I don't get there every time, but when I do it's great. I love the part with "Dream on, dream on , dream on......".

I listened to it with headphones once, and the "dream on, dream on.." becomes much clearer. I had never noticed that before, and it was really cool.

I think it's the perfect end of a perfect album.
It also goes really nice into the outro.

Teo Torriatte is one of my favourite Brian May-songs, along with White Queen and The Prophet's Song..

I first heard it on A Day at the Races. Actually when I bought it, I didn't like the album at all. But after 7 years or so it grew on me and become better every time. It still does - though I think it's the best album in the world...


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Posted: 11 Apr 07, 14:05 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Song: Teo Torriatte
First Heard: A day at the races
Mood When Heard: Taken back
People it Reminds You Of: My true love
Opinion: Beautiful dark sounding, fill with such longing & passion.


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Posted: 11 Apr 07, 14:35 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

"Sugary pap. Contrived language-breaking anthemic rubbish designed to fully exploit the "then growing" Japanese market. I hate this song...it shows Brian at his most calculating and least spontaneous....fucking awful."

That's a really interesting opinion Brenski. It's hard to figure out how we all arrive at certain positions which appear opposed to the majority. I feel that Teo Torriate is a heartfelt song written by a guy who was overwhelmed by the reaction to a band that in effect hadn't broken bug in most other markets. Having said that, tons of people love the album MIH, which I feel shows Brian at his most calculating and least spontaneous....fucking awful!


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Posted: 12 Apr 07, 12:44 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

to be honest, i think i'm willing to tolerate Brian being "calculating" and "at his least spontaneous". If MIH wasn't released, i would never have gotten to enjoy "It's a beautiful day" "mother love" Freddies version of "Too much love will kill you" the queen remix of "i was born to love you". i would never have been able to imagine Freddie sitting beside lake geneva penning "A winters tale" (although he was probably ill in bed when he wrote it) i think his vocals in this song are awesome. gettin those last few pieces out to the public as Freddie wanted is an effort i feel very grateful that brian roger and john made. its not my intention to turn this into a Q+PR debate but i also cant understand why people critisise brian and roger for making a new album with PR. If they want to write new music for the pleasure of their fans. good on them. and if they make a few quid from it so be it. I doubt any of them NEED the money! i personally cant wait to hear the new stuff.

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Posted: 12 Apr 07, 13:23 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

okay. i'll add to your reply

1. MIH was (largely) reworkings of old songs. Heaven for Everyone, Too Much Love, I Was Born, Made In Heaven, My Life Has Been Saved.
this is NOT a queen album. One of the key members was not present at the stage when the these songs were pieced together. So the concept of what we got to hear was Brian's and Rogers...i think all of these tracks would've sounded so differently had Freddie had input to the final mix/arrangement
2. Constantly in QZ people criticise bands for their poor renditions of queen songs when they release cover versions....to praise MIH so highly is hypocisy. The Freddie/Brian/Roger solo/Cross songs that ended up on MIH were already released in an arrangement or format that the artists intended. Therefore, by default the MIH reworkings are nothing more than cover versions...which makes them poor imitations in any language.


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Posted: 12 Apr 07, 14:11 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Boy Thomas Raker wrote:

"Sugary pap. Contrived language-breaking anthemic rubbish designed to fully exploit the "then growing" Japanese market. I hate this song...it shows Brian at his most calculating and least spontaneous....fucking awful."

That's a really interesting opinion Brenski. It's hard to figure out how we all arrive at certain positions which appear opposed to the majority. I feel that Teo Torriate is a heartfelt song written by a guy who was overwhelmed by the reaction to a band that in effect hadn't broken bug in most other markets. Having said that, tons of people love the album MIH, which I feel shows Brian at his most calculating and least spontaneous....fucking awful!
I understand your points. Some maybe true, but all in all it's a good song. He pretty much did the samething later on "Hot Space" with Palabras de amor"


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Posted: 12 Apr 07, 14:16 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

interesting use of the word "Poor" before imitations. i don't consider any of those song to be poor.
all they did was take what was left of freddies work and released it as Freddie wished. after working with brian roger and john all those years im sure he believed he count on them to put the finishing touches to his work.
freddie must have had input into the arrangements to some extent as im sure it would have been discussed when he was laying down his vocals. anyway! thats not the point! i just cant understand why you find it so hard to be a queen fan? ur given this album. that fact is you have the chance to here freddies last pieces of work! you dont HAVE to buy it, but its there if you WANT it. But you cant appreciate that. You so caught up in bitching and nitpicking that u cant see how lucky u are. they way you talk you make it sound like you would rather the rest of queen just left the recordings unheard forever. mind you then, you'd probably complain that brian roger and john wont get off their arses and get the work released!

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Posted: 13 Apr 07, 10:12 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

can any kind soul send me this rare alternative track on my email please? thanks!

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Posted: 13 Apr 07, 13:03 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Nah, it's crap.. it's easily their worst song.

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Posted: 13 Apr 07, 13:20 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Teo Torriate, although some of the lyrics are lovely, I’m not that fond of the melody and it is not my favorite Brian song. But I don’t agree with Brenski that “it was standard fare for Brian to "try and outdo Freddie" - and it nearly always backfired...he didn't have the same creatively original songwriting mind that Freddie did... “ I think “The Prophet Song” is brilliant. And if indeed there was a bit of competition between Freddie and Brian, so much the better for us, I say--kept the songwriting at a higher caliber. I think some of Brian’s songs were extremely creative, especially lyrically (i.e. Brighton Rock, ’39, Save Me, White Queen, Who Wants to Live Forever) just to name a few. I personally think ’39 could have been released as an “A-side” and been a hit (and yes, with Brian singing it).

And I don’t agree with Boy Thomas Raker when he says MIH is Brian at his most calculating and least spontaneous. Do you think Freddie would have wanted to spend his last days recording, sometimes exhausted and in great pain, just to have his work sit languishing in a vault somewhere? If Brian was calculating (and money-grubbing as some people have claimed), don’t you think he would have rushed the MIH album out in a rush after Freddie had died, to cash in on the waves of grief and sympathy of the fans? As it was, it took years (because of their own grief) before the surviving members could face the task of finishing the work they started with Freddie years before.

And I don’t think MIH is awful. I rather prefer the Queen versions of “Made in Heaven”, “Heaven for Everyone” and “I Was Made to Love You”. The grand, majestic Queen sound is the perfect setting for Freddie’s voice, IMHO. And you make it sound as if Brian had the only input in putting together the album—what about Roger and John’s input?

Just another point of view . . .





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Posted: 13 Apr 07, 14:21 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

<font color=green>Bren<font color=orange>ski wrote:

okay. i'll add to your reply

1. MIH was (largely) reworkings of old songs. Heaven for Everyone, Too Much Love, I Was Born, Made In Heaven, My Life Has Been Saved.
this is NOT a queen album. One of the key members was not present at the stage when the these songs were pieced together. So the concept of what we got to hear was Brian's and Rogers...i think all of these tracks would've sounded so differently had Freddie had input to the final mix/arrangement
2. Constantly in QZ people criticise bands for their poor renditions of queen songs when they release cover versions....to praise MIH so highly is hypocisy. The Freddie/Brian/Roger solo/Cross songs that ended up on MIH were already released in an arrangement or format that the artists intended. Therefore, by default the MIH reworkings are nothing more than cover versions...which makes them poor imitations in any language.


I wouldn't disagree with any of that. Ultimately the "new" songs on MIH were: You Don't Fool Me, Let Me Live, Mother Love, A Winter's Tale & It's A Beautiful Day. The rest is filler. Queen's interpretation of Too Much Love Will Kill You is the second part of the keyboard/guitar version that Brian performed on his Back To The Light solo tours anyway.

Just a couple of additional points -

1) Would My Life Has Been Saved been on the album had Freddie been alive to record further material, when it was left off The Miracle album some 6 years previously? I very seriously doubt it.

2) "Brian at his most calculating and least spontaneous" would surely be at the release of Queen Rocks and also at the tribute concert (which were both mostly a vehicle for his work; look how many songs were his).

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Posted: 13 Apr 07, 14:35 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

That's cool Good_Company50, I'd be disappointed and frankly concerned if people agreed with everything I or anyone here stated! Having said that, I'll side with Brenski and say that MIH was an album of inferior cover version. And, as you correctly state, "it took years (because of their own grief) before the surviving members could face the task of finishing the work they started with Freddie years before." I'm unaware of any previous Queen album that wasn't done in the studio with all members heavily involved. Here you have one dead member, one guy who had virtually opted out of things, and Brian himself said that it was basically Roger and him e-mailing files back and forth to complete the album, which isn't exactly a band creative effort. So it's a heavily slanted B & R affair, which to me makes the album sound totally disjointed. Brenski mentioned something about the artists vision, and Freddie's vision of “Made in Heaven”, and “I Was Made to Love You” was realized on Mr. Bad Guy. THAT'S what he wanted those songs to sound like, if he wanted them as Queen songs they would have been Queen songs. It's truly no different than if Brian had passed away, and then John sort of funked up '39 and Long Away and made them danceable. They may sound fine, but they'd be cover versions unlike the way the artist intended them to be. That's IMHO though.



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