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Posted: 24 May 07, 10:40 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I need some advice from you audio experts, I recieved this recording (NY 12-01-77) and want to share it, but is it lossless? There's this strange line above 15000hz , somebody know what it means??

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Posted: 24 May 07, 13:06 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Any chance of seeing a frequency analysis

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Posted: 24 May 07, 15:58 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

16 downloads, and not one feedback? Why did you all download the picture then? Hoping for a video?

I'd say it's lossy.

But never fear... I'm in contact with the taper, and I'll have the master copy soon. I'll be sure that it circulates.



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Posted: 24 May 07, 17:54 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

928 wrote:

Any chance of seeing a frequency analysis


Here's the frequency analysis..it goes far above 16000hz, so I would say it's lossless, but I still wonder about that strange line...


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16 downloads, and not one feedback? Why did you all download the picture then? Hoping for a video?


lol, next time i post a pic of...-no dirty language here- and people would download it anyway..




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Posted: 24 May 07, 18:57 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Hmmm... now it looks lossless!

Where's Tilomagnet when you need him?



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Posted: 25 May 07, 01:13 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I'm no expert at all, but I would guess, that back in 1977 most equipment – even professional – would have some technical flaws, restrictions or whatever, that could cause measurable effects on the frequency spectrum of a recording. Tape quality, microphone, noise filters etc. Even the acoustic character of the venue (PA, mics, soundboard, cables) could have a "visible" effect. In my opinion, those analysis software displays are very easily misinterpreted.

So let's wait for the master recording ;-) !


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Posted: 25 May 07, 05:58 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Is that a hint of MD recording there.It certainly is a strange one.
Need another Doctor on this one i think.

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Posted: 25 May 07, 09:07 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Thanks for all your info! I recieved these show as .wav's , so I am a bit cautious on this one.

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I'm in contact with the taper, and I'll have the master copy soon. I'll be sure that it circulates.


If was told mine is from a CD copy of the first gen tape, so it would be awesome to hear the Master recording. It's surely a great show!

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Posted: 25 May 07, 11:10 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Indeed!

I also have an alternate source that sounds better. It was done on a 90 minute tape, so they decided to pause the recorder between songs. I took the inferior (common) source and spliced in the missing parts, always cross-fading one into the other. The better source cuts out during BoRhap, so I spliced in the rest from the inferior source too. So, it still cuts out during Jailhouse.

Someone once told me, "It's a great recording, but why does it get muffled between songs?" Meaning, they couldn't tell it was switching sources.. haha! So maybe that's the one you have. I did the mix a few years ago, and you know how most Queen collectors don't label their recordings properly... so it circulated, and most people probably think it's all from one source... but it's not!

Anyway, I digress. I'll let you guys know how the master of the inferior source sounds (maybe it won't be inferior anymore!) once I get it.



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Posted: 25 May 07, 12:51 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

FWIW, those screenshots look fine to me, IMO there is no indication of a lossy encoding visible, even though EAC sucks for SA and FA ;-)

By the way, I thought the 1st gen version of the longer source of this show was once uploaded here. I think that's the version that circulates with the "Back in N.Y." title (did I mention that giving titles to non-silver boots is pointless...?)

Bob, do you know if the taper that recorded said show also taped any other shows in N.Y. during that era?

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Posted: 25 May 07, 14:05 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

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Someone once told me, "It's a great recording, but why does it get muffled between songs?" Meaning, they couldn't tell it was switching sources.. haha! So maybe that's the one you have.


I listend carefully at my copy again but I could not point out any diferences between speech and music. Here is "Brighton Rock" from my copy, would be cool if you could listen to it and tell me which source it is!

http://rapidshare.com/files/33353282/Track02.flac.html

Collecting Queen boots can be really a pain in the ass, so much sources and diff. versions...
(But it would be half as fun if it's too easy ;-)

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Posted: 26 May 07, 04:48 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

That's definitely the inferior source.

Here's a sample of the mix I did of the two sources, both from first gen tapes:

http://www.mediafire.com/?2yw9glwatgg

Let me know what you think!



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Posted: 27 May 07, 11:40 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Significant difference! The Music is much louder and you can hear them clearly. But it's a bit distorted and lack of bass but overall it sounds better! The inferiour source has a bit more "live" feel in my opinion, it reminds me a bit at the two Tokyo 05-01-75 sources.

I'm excited too how the master sound like ;-)

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Posted: 27 May 07, 12:08 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

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Significant difference! The Music is much louder and you can hear them clearly. But it's a bit distorted and lack of bass but overall it sounds better!


Yep! I got this one a few years ago. I'm a big fan of the treble. This person also recorded 11-17-78... same story, same quality... 90 minute tape, and pausing the recorder between songs.

I'm excited too how the master sound like ;-)


Cool... but I bet it won't sound much better. Your copy sounds like the first gen.



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