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Posted: 05 Nov 04, 15:35 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I have wondered about when Freddie got the virus. Was it before the MagicTour or afterwards. I know that he told the other 3 that he didn't would tour forever, he said that late on the Magic tour. Do you guys thinks that he had been infected for a short or long time......


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Posted: 05 Nov 04, 17:35 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

HIV had become aids by the time of the Barcelona sessions


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Posted: 05 Nov 04, 17:53 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

There are various rumours about this. Most people tend to believe Phoebe who said that Freddie knew it in 1987.
If Freddie already was positive before the Magic tour, then he would not get green light from the medical for insurance...
Also, it is said that Freddie got infected when he lived in New York.


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Posted: 05 Nov 04, 19:06 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

after he had shaved his balls and wrote bo rhap


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Posted: 05 Nov 04, 23:24 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I would also suspect it was the early 1980's, since that's when Freddie became more...promiscuous. But it is also interesting to mention that HIV can take YEARS before any symptoms are detected. To be infected and die within 10 years is considered quick by most researchers I believe...look at Magic Johnson. Very interesting


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Posted: 06 Nov 04, 09:21 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

As far as I know, Magic Johnson is immune from the HI virus. Meaning from his HIV.


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Posted: 06 Nov 04, 09:42 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

bo rhap is all about it!!! didn't you read the old topics here??? guess not... no offense to anyone


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Posted: 06 Nov 04, 09:47 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Actually- even Keep Yourself Alive is about it, so I guess Brian knew (great psychic powers!)around 1972 and told Freddie in 1974, when they started recording BoRhap...

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Posted: 06 Nov 04, 10:22 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

1975! - they were recording bo-rhap in 75


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Posted: 06 Nov 04, 10:46 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

i might suspect even an earlier date...i guess the time he won the contest for the most beautiful baby picture...
then, when he was a child, all zanzibar knew about that!!!
wait a minute his great-great-great-great-great etc-grand mother, back in the 16th century suspected freddie of aids!!!


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Posted: 06 Nov 04, 12:46 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

he knew it in 1987 but probably he fell ill before.mick rock says he fell ill during new york years(80-82)

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Posted: 06 Nov 04, 16:49 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

he knew in '86.
i think he has been einfected around '78 till '82 cause like Brian says on the extra commentairy on Body language, Freddie was very mutch into the gay thing.So, wel I don't have to explain it further, do I?


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Posted: 06 Nov 04, 17:40 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Freddie knew he was infected after the Magic Tour.
It was between 86/87.
Before that, and although he didnt the HIV test, he had a pre-feeling, because much of his ex-lovers had the virus, or died because of AIDS.
And Freddie knew he was infected because Mary Austin told him. The people from the Lab called to Freddie, and it was Mary who picked up the phone, and they told her.
And when did freddie get the virus?
It was between 82/84. Freddie went to a Gay Club in New York called "Studio 59" or something like that, so its possible that he get infected in there.


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Posted: 06 Nov 04, 21:50 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

The story we got fed here was that some aircraft steward had infected him on a flight (musta been the mile high club I guess) in early '87. So many stories, who knows the truth?


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Posted: 07 Nov 04, 01:23 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

<font color="whitesmoke">bambam wrote:

BiggyRat wrote:

The story we got fed here was that some aircraft steward had infected him on a flight (musta been the mile high club I guess) in early '87. So many stories, who knows the truth?

But don't forget Freddie's next-to-last-lover Winnie Kirchberger (sp?) who also died of AIDS, although he died later than Freddie, but it can be considered an angle. So maybe Freddie infected him, or Winnie got infected by somebody else and got Freddie infected...etc. Endless possibilities.
Yeah good point bambam, I doubt we'll ever know the full story, or the real one for that matter


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Posted: 07 Nov 04, 04:32 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote


Sad to say but it's impossible to tell, considering how many persons he was in contact with during the early eighties. Here's some of them :

- Vince the barman
- Tony Bastin
- Bill Reid
- John Murphy
- Thor Arnold
- Nicolay Grishanovitch
- Winnie Kirchenberger

And countless more....

Of all he had connection with in the gay world 99 % of them are dead. The spreading of the disease is impossible to track down, he could have got it from absolute anyone.

It's sad that he just gave a damn about his life in those days. It was doomed to go wrong!!

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Posted: 07 Nov 04, 06:40 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I say the best reference is Jim Huttons book:

He (Freddie) was obvious aware of the possibility that he was infected during the late 1986.
And Freddie told Jim that he has the positive result sometime in April 1987, just after he did the test.

So, if this is fact, we only can say that just after his result, about May 1987 his HIV infection developped into AIDS (skin-cancer). And as the virus needs at least about 3 to 6 months to developp into AIDS, we only can say for sure, that Freddie was infected latest by the end of 1986.

And that are all the facts! The rest is speculation and will never be for sure!


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Posted: 07 Nov 04, 07:04 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

You people should watch the "When freddie mercury met kenny everett" documentary.. it explains and describes it a lot.. how and when and with who it likely happened..
The program refers to Nicholai as the source of infection.


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Posted: 07 Nov 04, 09:00 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I think Freddie got HIV sometime before it killed him.


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